Jones

There is something about Excalibur I just like. It's so simple. But it makes me feel good. It smells "green" without making me feel like a fern. When it comes to a daily "wear-it-to-the-office" sort of blend... I like Excalibur and Pendragon. Though for me, Excalibur has the edge, simply because it's got a stronger, more "defined" scent. Yep, a swagger does go with it.

I'd say another huge advantage is the ability to multitask effectively. Combined with the ability to manipulate a man, these psychological advantages can be used to devastating advantage... for good, or not so good purposes & results. *NO, manipulation is not a bad thing. The word has gotten a bad rap (worse even than "propaganda"), but it is neither 'good' nor 'bad.' It just IS. Being manipulative does not make one Lady Macbeth. Any smart mother will manipulate her children (when necessary) into doing completely healthy things like... eating their spinach, cleaning their room, etc, etc, ad nauseum.

ROFL... I like the way you're thinkin' Yep... sometimes she leaves a $20 on the nightstand for me ;-)

When I said "unscented cops," I meant without any added perfume. Having tried Heart Throb, I expect it to smell "off" (but presumably much stronger).

Awww man... now I'm gonna have to get one of each

I'm looking forward to trying some of the socials myself. But my personality is friendly, outgoing, and an intent listener; and I was raised to be as polite and respectful towards peers and subordinates (During my time in the military, I validated the effectiveness of this leadership style in a "super-high Y" atmosphere (short version: leadership through demonstration, encouragement, and praise is [i believe] more effective, than leadership by diktat). So, I'd have to actively seek out hostile environments within which to test the socials (though I've got some WeaponX and TeddyMan2 inbound just for fun). The very fact that women produce copulins is cheating the system lol... (in my best Rod Serling voice) Picture if you will: a man, being led by the nose.... I would venture to guess, that this is nature's way of empowering, (and possibly protecting) the [physically] weaker sex. If there really existed a clear-cut, no BS way to "cheat the system" as a man, and gain an advantage over women in the same fashion that women can use chemicals to gain an advantage over men... The inventor and marketer of that formula would (if they were smart) be wealthy beyond their wildest dreams before you could say "Bill Gates." As it is, (in my opinion) synthetic pheromones provide men with a way to stand out a bit from the crowd, and maybe "steer" the action just a bit. But it still comes down to your ability to be comfortable in your own skin, confident in yourself, and conversant with those around you. My Dad used to tell me "Ron son, girls are like buses. If you miss one, the next one will be along in about 15 minutes." So, don't be a doormat. Have your own life. But do be a good listener. Make her laugh, and when you find the right one... buy her chairs. ASIDE Copulins are so powerful, and raise men's testosterone level so rapidly, that I've been tempted to order a small vial of some unscented cops in the strongest concentration I can find in order to dab a little on my upper lip about half an hour before my workout.... It's certainly worth a try. Along those same lines, it is my understanding that dosing ones self with Androstenone on a regular basis may very well cause your body to begin producing more testosterone on its own in order to adapt to the new "high testosterone environment." So, perhaps I'd do well to experiment with 50% cops and 50% Androstenone in an oil base for dabbing under my nose??? /ASIDE

I sure hope we don't actually "need" all these phero's (bottled) ;-) We've been doing ok for thousands of years. While I'm serious about scents, phero's are more a playful hobbyist sort of activity. If I ever get to where I NEED them, it's time to put me in diapers and planning to pull the plug lol. I like hearing about the research and testing (NOT the whole paper... just the abstracts, please ).

What is a "TG?" And... yep, I ordered some TeddyMan 2 for experimenting next time the moon is full. It's not at all off topic. From meaningless soundbytes in political ads, to Axe commercials... it's easier to sell the fantasy, than to explain the reality.

lol... "evolved" is being kind. Though I do aspire to being what we call down here, a Renaissance Redneck ;-) But seriously, I think age has crept up on me, and I have 20/20 hindsight. I remember as a child (from eight or ten, through 14 or 15 y/o), noticing that women thought my father was incredibly sexy. I couldn't get my mind wrapped around the concept... "my dad?!?... sexy?!?... ewwww!" He was an average, middle-aged man with thinning hair, and a limp that came from wearing an artificial leg (about 6" below his right knee). Though he was friendly, soft-spoken, kind, gentle, rugged, and very manly. People felt comfortable around him, and would talk incessantly, telling him things that I'm sure he wished they'd kept to themselves (this particular trait, he passed on to me... ack!). I wonder if he wasn't blessed with an abundance of that "Alpha male protector" vibe. My mental image of Androstenone is a rutting animal with a singular motive, yet without aim, direction, or conscience. Much less the ability for long-term planning. I'm absolutely positive that Androstenone works, and works well (regularly) on a minority of the female of our species. But even if I were single, that particular segment would not be my target market (too much "baggage"). That is not to say that it [Androstenone] doesn't have a place... it most certainly does; just not at the head of the table. I'd call him the "Mr Hyde" that only comes out after the kids are in bed. lol. Going back to SS4M and <3 Throb, the ingredients (aside from copulins) are nearly identical, but in slightly different ratios. What was the thinking behind the different mixes? (I'm looking at my rapidly-dwindling supply of each, and trying to decide which one to get next in a big bottle). Sorry to ramble on so. Ron

The longer I read on the subject, the more I am left with the impression that the commercial philosophy behind pheromone usage (as it pertains to attractants) is definitely "one size fits all." Specifically, it seems as though every company out there who is pushing any sort of "magic" pheromone bullet seems fixated upon Androstenone. I wonder if this is the best and highest use of one's efforts? Don't get me wrong, I like Androstenone as much as the next guy. For example, when I wear Aqua Vitae, I walk down the street like I'm back in my Werewolf days, thinking "I just luuuv bein' me." http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V1e5h9YSe_k However, beyond post-adolescence, there's more to courtship and romance than howling, sweaty displays of manhood, followed by much ripping & tearing (well...most of the time >:-) ). From what [very little] I know about human psychology and interpersonal relationships, I would think that A-Androsterone, B-Androstenol, and DHEAS would be a better foundation upon which to build an attractant... with Androstenone there, but lurking in the background. That's one of the reasons why SS4M and <3 Throb are so intriguing to me (on a side note, I can attest to the effectiveness of SS4m around the house). Am I on the right track? Am I over-thinking it? or is the mainstream correct, and does Androstenone remain the star player in most commercial products because it belongs at the top?

Horror of horrors! Girl Nip is out of stock. And She likes that one.

22:45 I too have absolutely no idea how to describe this scent. When I first put it on (4-5 drops), I got a sense of something deep, complex, and oily. 23:15 It took about 30 minutes for me to be able to pick anything out of here. According to the spec sheet there's Amber... and Violet... and Moss... the Sandalwood is back there, but it's not prevalent at first. 23:17 ... Ok, I just couldn't resist dabbing a little more on my left wrist and rubbing the two together [again]. I like feeling the scent becoming more and more complex as it dries down. If THAT is what Violet smells like, I want to open a flower shop. I put off trying Boddice Ripper; because, in the bottle, it just didn't "grab me" (you know, the way something like Mark's Tonka Tabacum just reaches out and takes hold of you). But when I put it on [bR] it woke up and began to spread out. 23:20 Let's let this develop for another few hours and see what it becomes. ---------------------------------------------------- 03:15 - There's a hint of something floral and spicy here that intrigues me. ---------------------------------------------------- 07:00 - Ahhhh... AMBER. My application of Boddice Ripper still lingers on my wrists. And, there is a light, complex sweetness that must be the Amber. There is also the faintest hint of a spice (perhaps within the Amber). I'm liking this a lot! Yep, it's a keeper.

WOW! This is good stuff. 16:45 - Put on 4-5 drops. 16:55 ...hmmmm... Pipe tobacco, and Vanilla. Someone mentioned Cherries, and if I listen closely enough I get a hint... just a little hint. But methinks there's a promise of more to come. [aside] I'm now thinking of looking through my front closet to find that tweed jacket with the elbow patches... I'm already going grey, so maybe I can try it out on some unsuspecting young coeds [/aside] Will check back in a couple of hours to see where it goes. ------- Two hours later --------- 18:45 So my kids and I are at Publix (A grocery store here in Mount Juliet), when my wife calls to check in. She offers to come help us finish the list [aside] If you really hate those end-of-day cell phone calls between you and your SO... you know the ones: "so... what do you want to do about dinner?" ... reply "I dunno, what do you want?" www.e-mealz.com is a must-have! It ain't fancy like something Beccah can make. But, we save money, AND I can actually follow the recipe without burning down the house). [/aside] I've been testing her nose out on all my scent samples. So far, she likes Pendragon, and Mark's Girl Nip. She didn't care for Super 4 Men... OR Mark's Tonka Tabacum (two of my faves). However, because Teacher's pest has very little sweetness by comparison, I've got high hopes for it. Her first reaction upon having a huff in the middle of the bread aisle was "ewww, it smells like Maple." (Whiskey Tango Foxtrot... OVER?!). Perhaps my skin brings out the "maple sweetness" of perfume? 21:30 I'm inhaling deeply from my wrist: No maple... but also no cherry (what happened? I was really looking forward to just a hint of cherry sweetness). Unfortunately, my skin will only give me warm, rich tobacco, and wood. Not a bad thing at all. But It's missing that... "je ne sais quoi" that makes it stand out. 22:00 Kids are put to bed. While she gets ready for a smoke break in the Garage (a drink, a warm coat, and her Nook), I have her give it one more sniff. She says "It smells like perfume." 22:15 Hit the showers.

I haven't tried Salute. Though while she isn't insistent... when the subject comes up, she's pushin' the Cool Water. It's not bad, but I like dark, mysterious, smoky and spicy.... on me. I suppose I shall have to content myself with keeping Super 2 as a personal indulgence. lol.

I got my goodie bag of LPMP fragrances, and pursuant to the [nearly universal] recommendations of the ladies here... I went straight for the "Super for Men 2." Unlike most men (at least the ones you girls keep mentioning), I really like this stuff! It went on sweet and warm. I felt (more than smelled) the tobacco and the syrup (my 4y/o daughter said I smelled like "pancakes"). My skin didn't bring out the Lavender or Eucalyptus at all. An hour later, it had dried down to maple syrup and wood. Two hours later, I'd catch faint hints of something that made me think of mahogany. S2 sticks around a long time. There is no need to reapply (at least in the oil version). I definitely like this stuff. However, beauty is in the eye of the beholder, and fragrances are subjective.... So HORROR of horrors!!! ...unlike most women, SHE didn't like it SURELY YOU JEST Jones! No. And don't call me Shirley. After reading all the input above, I was anxiously looking forward to full-blown swoon from the lady fair. But it was not to be. Scents trigger memories in our subconscious... and my wife said "it smells like those awful maple candies that people make at Christmas." Four hours later, she said "...Honey, I love you... you stink!" Oh well... I still like it. Though it looks like I'll be wearing Super 2 when I get away for some me time at the movies (i.e. when I want to go see "Mission Impossible," "The Expendables," or other not so Oscar worthy fare). Now, Pashazade testing.

I'm liking the trial vial of LP Homme, so if I order a full-sized version: Spray, or Oil? Your thoughts?

The thing with pheromones is... after having read through the relevant entries on pherotruth.com (via which I was introduced to LPMP), and then other, similar forums. I then came over here (where the girls are) because, I have a sneaking suspicion that most men have it wrong... and if I want to find out what works, I should observe a representative sample of the potential target. Nearly every company out there selling pheromones and "pheromone enhanced" products, leads with Androstenone. Fine, I get that it's a cave man in a bottle. But is that what actually WORKS? I've experimented with ridiculous amounts (5 drops True Instinct oil) of Androstenone at the local mall during Christmas shopping season. Yet, no one has looked at me like I was a serial masher. They were nice and pleasant and helpful. Of course I was also my typically upbeat, friendly, pleasant self (I'm not being facetious here, I really do genuinely like people, and being around them). And it wasn't an overdose, or "ghosting" (both of which I am beginning to think are mythical). Some years ago, I spent 9+ years in the Marine Corps Infantry, so I'm not a stranger to Androstenone, and do feel comfortable with excessive amounts. While I haven't yet received my trial size of SS4M, the fact that Androstenone appears NOT to be the primary ingredient seems promising to me... mainly because I've begun to have this sneaking suspicion that A/B-Androstenol, Androsterone and Androstanone should come first, with Androstenone lurking, ever present, in the background (along with the DHEAS). I also think maybe the focus should be on the "self-effects" of women's products. Getting her into a mood conducive to heart-pounding adventure and experimentation tonight begins with making her feel wanted and desirable this morning. As for me, I think one of Harrison Ford's characters said it best: "Good grief. You know how you attract a man? You show up. We're men. We're easy." (see: "Six Days, Seven Nights") I hope you have as much fun as I have been having so far!

Thanks much! I've been reading through the various threads that catch my eye, while keeping Wikipedia open in another tab 'cause I don't sprechen the parfum-ese much (in the last five minutes alone, I've learned what Vetiver is, that it's a fixative, and what THAT is lol). It's pretty slow going. Ron

I'm going to try Excalibur because it has such good reviews. I'm a little hesitant, because "greenery" isn't my thing... but I'll try anything once (twice, if I like it). As a fan of old Confederate Railroad songs ("I like my women just a little on the trashy side"), the description for Sparkle Fuschia grabbed me with both hands. She (Jenn) is not a clothes horse, a shoe person, or a hair & makeup princess, much less a scent hound. As the introvert in the relationship (ISTP), after a hard day's work (in an environment where she must behave like an extrovert), she loves nothing more than to curl up with a good book and escape from the world. But she's got an innate sense of adventure that I may be able to harness, for the trip down this road. I, on the other hand, am the more extroverted partner (ENT[P:J*]), who needs a guardian angel lol. *depends on my attitude, historically, it's been 60:40 P:J

LOL... I keep reading very good things about Super for Men. I'll have to get a bottle. I DO want pheros (I do! I do! I do!), but this is a multi-pronged attack I'm planning here. When things sell out, do they come back? I get the sense that the LP line is a big favorite! I don't know if I'll like Bodice Ripper, but it was well spoken of, so I asked for it in the 10-pack of sample vials I ordered. Along with: Super II for men Sudden Impact Pashazade Thrill of the Chase Love Potion Homme Excalibur Elementary North Pole Along with separate line items for trial size versions of Voracious, <3 Throb, and SS4M Really want to try Mark's Girl Nip, Mark's Tonka Tobaccum, Teacher's Pest, Ambuscade, and Merlin's Blend

Ares for Men is a scent that transports me to the Library, or the Billiard room of a private Gentleman's Club. Ares was my first scent from LPMP. I wanted something "low risk" that I could easily give away if it turned out to be doubleplus ungood on my skin. I was pleasantly surprised! In my 44 years, I have never before reviewed a scent (save perhaps for the variations between brands of smokeless powder). However, when I sprayed Ares on my forearm, the first thing I noticed was faint musk and leather (yes, I know it's not in the Ares for Men info page, but that's what I smell). Once the carrier dissipated, I began to smell an indescribable something that is quite pleasant. It's green, but very faint (which is a good thing, as I swore off smelling like a shrub when I left the service years ago). There is also something that makes me think of Amber, with an ephemeral shadow of saddle soap (that's probably not the correct term, but my scent vocabulary is quite limited at present) Shortly after that, I began to smell something that was vaguely reminiscent of a tailor's shop. When I was on a trip to the far east some years ago, I got a fantastic deal on some bespoke suits. During my fittings, I noticed that the wools and silks on the cutting table had a pleasant scent that permeated everything... much later (about an hour), I caught this scent (or something very close to it) in Ares. I have an unrefined nose, but if I close my eyes and 'listen' carefully, I can just barely make out a hint of something citrusy in the background. About 15 minutes after application, my wife walked into my office and said "it smells like hairspray in here." I told her I'd gotten a new cologne, and was trying it out. She inhaled deeply of my wrist, and said "it smells like my grandmother's linen closet." Having met her grandmother, and knowing how close they are, I understand that remark in its context (it's a good thing). For me, Ares is a keeper, and will be great for situations in which I need to project maturity and personal power (think "meeting with the board of directors," "asking for a really big loan," etc). Or... when I'm on a long drive by myself. I imagine it will mix very well with True Alpha, or A314.

When I posted the response (above) the website was having a hiccup, and it double posted. But since I'm here anyway. What do you ladies like on a man? I know it's a subjective question at best. But there have got to be some commonalities of preference for there to be a "best sellers" list. If you and your guy were stuck on a desert island, for the duration, and could choose only three scents for him... what would they be? Keep in mind, I'm looking for scents here, not pheromones... I'll get to that part later, this is a combined arms exercise, so I've got to get the artillery emplaced first. On the other side of that equation, if you could only choose three scents for YOU, what would they be. I'm looking for the ones that make YOU feel best. Again, it's subjective, one might like playful and sweet, another might prefer the animal spirit, and still another might need to feel like she's 'da bomb' all on her own before she can get her head into playtime.

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Thanks! Are you kidding, after reading this thread, it was one of the first on my list to try Thank you. We were "sneaking away" for a long weekend in Gatlinburg, TN a few months back. Best vacation I've ever had! I'll add that to the list of trial sizes I'm working up for her (it's gotten considerably longer). I have no clue what she will actually enjoy wearing (as she so very rarely wears any scent at all), but it's good for a girl to have plenty of choices, yes? As to my tastes... perhaps it's fortunate that I enjoy strong tastes in food, wine, and experiences. "I don't often drink beer, but when I do, I prefer..." Rogue Shakespeare Stout. Yep, Voracious was my FIRST choice. I hope so. I smell spicy scents..... and I do the werewolf thing... grrr lol. Something exotic with cinnamon, coffee, coriander, licorice... (I don't know if these things go together, but I like them all, and many other spicy notes which I do not know by name). And vanilla makes me get all weak in the knees in an 'innocent' sort of way. Some years ago, on a trip to Bahrain, I brought home some Vanilla scented perfume oil. Unfortunately, during her pregnancy with my oldest (8), my Wife developed a nauseating aversion to vanilla that has not yet abated. I have worn it my own self on occasion, and my kids tell me It makes me smell like a cookie, which is enough for me to like it lol... None of my buddies have mentioned the smell at all. Hmmm. Darling Clementine it is then. So far, I'm up to: LP Original LP Black LP Red Mara's Rocket Fuel Garland & Lace Sparkle & Fuchsia Pherogirl Spontaneous Combustion Scarlet Leaf Dirty Pretty Thing Ravished Remind me Again Sugared Honeycomb Darling Clementine I better stop there, 'cause I'm going to get more for me too... I want some of that girl catchin' skunk juice! ;-)

Assuming they're all in stock. Based on the reviews I've read so far, I have an ongoing list of scents to get in trial sizes: LP Original LP Black LP Red Mara's Rocket Fuel Garland and Lace Sparkle Fucshia Pherogirl Spontaneous Combustion . . . Still more research to do first though :-)