Cops, Pheros, and PCOS

[Princess Fiona]

TMI Warning ahead of my question..................Queasy stomachs stop here.

 

Hi Ladies,

I was wondering if anyone out there could guide me on how much phero/cops to apply. I am 30 years old, but I have Poly Cystic Ovarian Syndrome (PCOS). Luckly I had my kids in my early 20's, but now due to the high testosterone levels from the PCOS I am now completely infertile and have nonovulatory cycles. I have never used birth control. I find that my hubby has no reaction to pheros/cops when I use them lightly (ie a couple of UN phero on swipes on the wrist and forearm, line in the cleevage and down torso, line of back and side of neck. Last night I got a little fusterated and propbably OD'd. I applied UN Bang and slathered (so that my skin was wet w/the oil)rather than made a line all over my forearms, slathered in between the cleevage, and upper chest and neck. Covered w/generous amount of phero girl. That did the trick...hubby never had a chance and TMI I can barely walk this morning. Do some of the ladies out there w/PCOS also find that they need to dose pheros and cops heavily for them to work? Any help/experiences would be greatly appreciated.

[AlienChangeling]

Oh geez...I never thought about the PCOS being the reason for the problem. YES! So far I have yet to get my husband to respond to any phero to any degree. I ended up having a partial hyst some years ago, then (since they left one ovary) a huge surgery about 1.5 years ago to remove a giant mutant cyst monster from my insides. PCOS was not presented as a possible diagnosis until after everything was gone to diagnose it, but that's what we believe I had.

 

I've not been able to get much in the way of recognition from any but socal pheros to date. I've not slathered any sexual ones to that degree, especially ones containing cops because I don't wanna risk smelling like I haven't bathed in years.

 

Ohmigosh. I wonder...

[luna65]

My Quince only response to certain mixes anyway, but copulins never fail. I do slather though, I've never been particularly subtle when it comes to using the sexual mixes for sex but on the other hand there's another issue in addition to my PCOS, so...but I don't know that it's impacted my success with the social mixes either. They seem to work when everything is congruent and I use a good amount anyway, since they need to get out there around me.

Edited January 17, 2012 by luna65

[BlueBear]

I'm a few months shy of 30 myself also with PCOS, and I, personally, haven't had to use large doses to get a rection. But then again, my testosterone levels aren't too far out of whack. So that might explain it...

 

On a related topic, do you take anything? I'm not on birth control either, so my dr suggested vitex (chasteberry) and I'm now regular as clockwork and NONE of the cystic acne associated with higher testosterone levels. I don't want to be dramatic, but it's completely turned my life around. Talk to you doc and see if that's a viable solution for you.

[Princess Fiona]

I'm a few months shy of 30 myself also with PCOS, and I, personally, haven't had to use large doses to get a rection. But then again, my testosterone levels aren't too far out of whack. So that might explain it...

 

On a related topic, do you take anything? I'm not on birth control either, so my dr suggested vitex (chasteberry) and I'm now regular as clockwork and NONE of the cystic acne associated with higher testosterone levels. I don't want to be dramatic, but it's completely turned my life around. Talk to you doc and see if that's a viable solution for you.

Thank you bluebear, My edocrinologist has me on metformin. It has really helped with weight loss (over 80lbs with no strict diet), and my liver enzymes have returned to normal. I have never had acne. My cycles have normalized, but still are anovulatory. Is Vitex an herbal formula? I think it is something I would like to try.

[Princess Fiona]

Oh geez...I never thought about the PCOS being the reason for the problem. YES! So far I have yet to get my husband to respond to any phero to any degree. I ended up having a partial hyst some years ago, then (since they left one ovary) a huge surgery about 1.5 years ago to remove a giant mutant cyst monster from my insides. PCOS was not presented as a possible diagnosis until after everything was gone to diagnose it, but that's what we believe I had.

 

I've not been able to get much in the way of recognition from any but socal pheros to date. I've not slathered any sexual ones to that degree, especially ones containing cops because I don't wanna risk smelling like I haven't bathed in years.

 

Ohmigosh. I wonder...

Thank you AC for sharing your experience. I really had to slather cover scent to cover it enough..but It worked. I really had a hard time getting the PCOS diagnosis. TMI....I only got the diagnosis after I had been bleeding for months at a time and had mamoth painful cysts on my ovaries. My regular doctor and the ER just told me there was nothing they could do unless I needed a blood transfusion from blood loss. Finally I saw a Certified Nurse Midwife that worked in a reproductive endocrinology clinic and she was able to treat me with natural progesterone shots and metformin, which solved that problem. She even had me do a full cycle hormonal workup (blood drawn each day of cycle) and found that my testosterone levels are intermitantly abnormal. Anyway, really think PCOS changes my natural phero signature because my hormones are so out of wack. I've always wondered if my high testosterone levels make me put off some more man like natural pheros for lack of a better description. Or my natural phero signature might not include that fertile/youthful/feminine stuff because of my infertility and hormonal problems. For now, I'm experimenting with heavy application of pheros/cops with heavy scented covers and see how that works. Maybe latter when I get more experience and read more of the forum and the great advice you ladies give I will start a journal and see which phero combos work best with PCOS. I have a theory that the more girl feminizing pheros will work better.

Edited January 17, 2012 by Princess Fiona

[Princess Fiona]

On that note...do any of the UN phero combos have any ultrafeminizing pheros w/o more male/unisex pheros?

[BlueBear]

Thank you bluebear, My edocrinologist has me on metformin. It has really helped with weight loss (over 80lbs with no strict diet), and my liver enzymes have returned to normal. I have never had acne. My cycles have normalized, but still are anovulatory. Is Vitex an herbal formula? I think it is something I would like to try.

 

Yeah, it's herbal. From what I gather, it's helped some women get pregnant because it helps them ovulate and, if they already are, that they're ovulating in the appropriate point in their cycle. I can't comment on that though, because I haven't been tested for that.

 

On that note...do any of the UN phero combos have any ultrafeminizing pheros w/o more male/unisex pheros?

 

Cuddle Bunny is est and cops. Nothing male in that. Lace is est and alpha androstenol. The alpha androstenol is unisex, but I think the Lace blend as a whole is super feminine.

Edited January 17, 2012 by BlueBear

[Rosebud]

I am 30 years old, but I have Poly Cystic Ovarian Syndrome (PCOS). Luckly I had my kids in my early 20's, but now due to the high testosterone levels from the PCOS I am now completely infertile and have nonovulatory cycles. I have never used birth control. I find that my hubby has no reaction to pheros/cops when I use them lightly.

Do some of the ladies out there w/PCOS also find that they need to dose pheros and cops heavily for them to work? Any help/experiences would be greatly appreciated.

 

I have no scientific literature to back this up with but I personally believe PCOS potentially could have an impact, depending on the severity of the condition. For someone with mild PCOS where the natural hormone levels aren't that abnormal I don't think it makes much difference, but if you have moderate or severe PCOS it must have an effect.

 

If your Testosterone levels are too high, and your Oestrogen very low or non-existant, and/or you either have few/random ovulation or none at all, then I don't see how a "normal dose of cops" would be enough to bring about sufficient response.

 

Personally, I've been on HRT for my PCOS for 2 years, prior to that I was on Oestrogen supplements taken together with anti-androgen medication for about 5 years. I'm 34 now, and I've never had a problem with OD'ing on cops. On the contrary, I usually slather myself. I haven't noticed anything different with the purely social phero's but I have noticed now that I my own Testosterone levels are a bit higher again since I no longer take the anti-androgens (which antagonises male hormones like Testosterone), the lads at work don't react well at all to me wearing the more "bossy" phero's like Dominance, Leather or Swimming with Sharks. I think it gives me a too masculine phero signature, because they get really arsy & snappy with me...and competitive, they really treat me like a bloke! I do work in a very male dominated environment but they tend to behave differently when they interact with other males compared to when they interact with females. When I wear phero's like Lace with cops, Cuddle bunny or Empathy potion on the other hand, they act completely different. They treat me like a woman, but not in a doting "save the damsel in distress" type way. They treat me like their equal, with respect but without making me "one of the guys". I never used to wear cops at work, but I've noticed that the men around me react better when I wear mixes with cops. I don't slather whilst at work so I think it just adds "a normal level" of cops for the phero signal rather than an overtly sexual one. With Mr Scrumptious I slather myself in cops though...but that's for an alltogether different purpose LOL

 

Oh, and btw....Vitex (agnus castus) is really good. It's one of a couple of different herbs that work beautifully to normalise hormone levels. There is a lot of scientific research that show that they often are just as effective as prescription hormone medications.

 

http://www.pcosmatters.com/pcos-natural-treatment/agnus-castus-and-pcos

 

http://www.bmj.com/content/322/7279/134.full

 

http://www.pamf.org/health/healthinfo/index.cfm?A=C&hwid=hn-2181002

Edited January 17, 2012 by Rosebud

[AlienChangeling]

I'm rather older than you guys, but the symptoms all fit, and I wasn't menopausal when I finally had the lone remaining ovary removed with the monster mutant cyst. I'm also on metformin and estrogen, but those have only been for a couple months. I immediately felt a difference, but still haven't gotten a reaction from hubby on the pheros. Of course I'm still trying to get things back stabilized so maybe that'll help.

 

I've not had the long testosterone exam. Not sure about that, but from certain side effects it wouldn't surprise me.

 

Rosebud posted just before I did and after reading her post, I must admit I tend to be treated as "one of the guys," and have always been a bit of a tomboy. Maybe I need to be adding some cops to my regular routine, and then douse myself when I'm at home with the hubster.

Edited January 17, 2012 by AlienChangeling

[Princess Fiona]

 

I've not had the long testosterone exam. Not sure about that, but from certain side effects it wouldn't surprise me.

 

Rosebud posted just before I did and after reading her post, I must admit I tend to be treated as "one of the guys," and have always been a bit of a tomboy. Maybe I need to be adding some cops to my regular routine, and then douse myself when I'm at home with the hubster.

Kind of odd, like you and Rosebud, I have the same thing. I also tend to be treated as one of the boys and have always been a bit of a tomboy (and all 4 of my children are boys). Now I'm really thinking that there is something to this natural phero signature thing. I would recomend the cycle long testing. My testosterone levels are normal during the first two weeks of my cycle and then grow over the the next two weeks and peak right before period around day 36, to a very high level. This is why I had a hard time getting the PCOS diagnosis apart from the cysts is becuase during the first two weeks of my cycle my testosterone levels where normal and many of my initial tests (one day) were during that time.

[Princess Fiona]

My Quince only response to certain mixes anyway, but copulins never fail. I do slather though, I've never been particularly subtle when it comes to using the sexual mixes for sex but on the other hand there's another issue in addition to my PCOS, so...but I don't know that it's impacted my success with the social mixes either. They seem to work when everything is congruent and I use a good amount anyway, since they need to get out there around me.

Hi Luna, thank you for chimming in. Do you think that with PCOS our natural phero signatures are skewed and thus some of the social mixes react differently?

[Princess Fiona]

 

Oh, and btw....Vitex (agnus castus) is really good. It's one of a couple of different herbs that work beautifully to normalise hormone levels. There is a lot of scientific research that show that they often are just as effective as prescription hormone medications.

 

http://www.pcosmatte...castus-and-pcos

 

http://www.bmj.com/c...2/7279/134.full

 

http://www.pamf.org/...hwid=hn-2181002

Thank you rosebud for the links. I'm gonna study up on this.

[luna65]

Do you think that with PCOS our natural phero signatures are skewed and thus some of the social mixes react differently?

In my experience, yes, which is why I tend to over-exaggerate some qualities depending on the situation, and the mixes help with that.

[Princess Fiona]

I think I'm gonna make it my mission to test out pheros in different situations and see how larger doses or ultra fem mixes do. Maybe overriding my natural phero signature is exactly what I need to do to the the best results.

[AlienChangeling]

Well, I wouldn't get any monthly cycle variation because I no longer have anything to MAKE a cycle. End result was that in the course of time they had to remove everything.

 

However I did some experimenting last night. I positively slathered myself in BI. I coated my cleavage - breastbone and both inner breast sides - in the stuff. Then I added some LP:WV as cover and smooshed the girls together to spread it real well, then anywhere it looked wet, I rubbed my wrists in it. Then I put on my jammies and went to bed.

 

Interestingly, hubby was very restless last night. He didn't make any overtures, but I noticed he kept shifting around and moving his legs and such like, which he usually doesn't do. He claimed this morning that it was because of the cat, but he was doing it without the cat being in bed with us. I think I just got my first hint of a reaction to the pheros and cops from him.

[Princess Fiona]

Well, I wouldn't get any monthly cycle variation because I no longer have anything to MAKE a cycle. End result was that in the course of time they had to remove everything.

 

However I did some experimenting last night. I positively slathered myself in BI. I coated my cleavage - breastbone and both inner breast sides - in the stuff. Then I added some LP:WV as cover and smooshed the girls together to spread it real well, then anywhere it looked wet, I rubbed my wrists in it. Then I put on my jammies and went to bed.

 

Interestingly, hubby was very restless last night. He didn't make any overtures, but I noticed he kept shifting around and moving his legs and such like, which he usually doesn't do. He claimed this morning that it was because of the cat, but he was doing it without the cat being in bed with us. I think I just got my first hint of a reaction to the pheros and cops from him.

Wow, to me it seems you did get a reaction. I'd say to keep up the experimenting and see if you can find what gets you the best reaction. I really had to slather like you did to get any reaction from my hubby. 'm starting to keep a phero journal to remember what I tried and what reaction if any I get. Do you use the oils or the sprays?

Edited January 19, 2012 by Princess Fiona

[Potion Master]

I visited my doc yesterday, and we chatted for like half an hour after my appt, and she was talking about how wonderfully well modern testosterone treatments work for men over 45. She said that they are now available in the form of gels to apply to the skin, and patches, while the old way was injections. She said she's been prescribing for her male patients and she sees a phenominal improvement in them at 3 months, and by 6 months, like they've practically, not entirely, but nearly regained their lost youth. She says they lose weight, their posture improves, it relieves depression, and of course amps the sex drive back up. She seemed to be most interested in the way it seems to relieve depression and bring back the men's interest in life. I don't think the testosterone treatments are as 'heart dangerous' as viagra.

 

If anyone can get their male-menopausal husbands to try this out, please report. I'm very interested in hearing more about this type of treatment.

And Dr Rosebud, please feel free to chime in if you've any wisdom from your medical knowledge too.

[LadyVictoria]

I was talking to a client the other day and he was telling me about this. TMI I know but my clients always tell me their problems...and life stories.. .anyhow he is around 60 ~ in AMAZING physical shape but he's been taking testosterone stuff ( think he said injections but they are available in pill format? or maybe that was B12 that he injected ) and he said he feels great, and he has been telling his male friends and they've all noticed an increase in vitality, they feel great, they aren't depressed, and feel like they are 20 years younger. I asked him why he would take it if he was in such great shape and he had no problems getting dates... etc. He said it was because he had low levels of testosterone and Viagra wasn't what he wanted, he wanted to feel like himself again, besides the sexual part, it was more about ego as well, and being able to feel like he did when his levels were normal. To not feel it was depressing. So he takes this testosterone stuff and B12 religiously and that has helped him tremendously

[Beccah]

I think I'm gonna make it my mission to test out pheros in different situations and see how larger doses or ultra fem mixes do. Maybe overriding my natural phero signature is exactly what I need to do to the the best results.

I don't suffer from this, but you've presented the topic in relation to pheromones in a very interesting manner. I've kind of skimmed the last part due to my eyes still being a wee bit sore from the hours I spent setting up my online class stuff Tuesday, so forgive if someone else already suggested this. I think the OCCOs, or any of the ultra-fem blends, in a spray may be perfect for you, you can get them up to 3X strength & sprays tend to diffuse more strongly in general. I am extremely curious to see if a 2X or 3X strength OCCO spray would be effective for you.

[BlueBear]

I visited my doc yesterday, and we chatted for like half an hour after my appt, and she was talking about how wonderfully well modern testosterone treatments work for men over 45. She said that they are now available in the form of gels to apply to the skin, and patches, while the old way was injections. She said she's been prescribing for her male patients and she sees a phenominal improvement in them at 3 months, and by 6 months, like they've practically, not entirely, but nearly regained their lost youth. She says they lose weight, their posture improves, it relieves depression, and of course amps the sex drive back up. She seemed to be most interested in the way it seems to relieve depression and bring back the men's interest in life. I don't think the testosterone treatments are as 'heart dangerous' as viagra.

 

If anyone can get their male-menopausal husbands to try this out, please report. I'm very interested in hearing more about this type of treatment.

And Dr Rosebud, please feel free to chime in if you've any wisdom from your medical knowledge too.

 

I don't pretend to know about the medical side of it, but I do work in a hospital. I sign off on controlled substance audits, and testosterone is one. I was in a training session with the criminal inspector general, and he told us that the testosterone diversion rates had dipped but were increasing exponentially. In the past, it was younger male staff diverting it, presumeably to gain muscle mass. But now, the overwhelming majority of diversions are by middle aged men. I wondered, but it's probably for the reasons you mentioned! Very interesting.

[Potion Master]

This is a fascinating topic. Thanks to the medical field ladies that have shared their info! Should I move this discussion to it's own thread so we don't completely threadjack Fiona? I originally posted here because I think the issues are related. When we're dealing with men with low testosterone, we can drive ourselves crazy trying to pherobomb them and get a reaction, but maybe there's another part of the equation - in the form of testosterone treatment - that can "help the cause".

[Princess Fiona]

I don't suffer from this, but you've presented the topic in relation to pheromones in a very interesting manner. I've kind of skimmed the last part due to my eyes still being a wee bit sore from the hours I spent setting up my online class stuff Tuesday, so forgive if someone else already suggested this. I think the OCCOs, or any of the ultra-fem blends, in a spray may be perfect for you, you can get them up to 3X strength & sprays tend to diffuse more strongly in general. I am extremely curious to see if a 2X or 3X strength OCCO spray would be effective for you.

Thank you Beccah! With my next order I'm gonna try some of the OCCO's and see how they work. Perhaps diffusion is also a secondary problem as I tend to wear long sleeve high necked shirts and ankle length skirts most of the time. If you are familiar with OCCO red, how close is it to the LP Red?

[Princess Fiona]

This is a fascinating topic. Thanks to the medical field ladies that have shared their info! Should I move this discussion to it's own thread so we don't completely threadjack Fiona? I originally posted here because I think the issues are related. When we're dealing with men with low testosterone, we can drive ourselves crazy trying to pherobomb them and get a reaction, but maybe there's another part of the equation - in the form of testosterone treatment - that can "help the cause".

I don't mind thread jacking at all. Low T is an interesting topic as well

[Princess Fiona]

Okay. I'm just kind of documenting here so bear with me. Today I paired UN Bang w/LP Red. I applied once in the morning. This time I applied one empty quarter size circle of bang to each wrist, a line on the forearm crease, and 3 quick swipes to the cleavage area. Covered with a low/moderate amount of Red. During the day I did not notice any reaction from any male coworkers (for the sake of scientific research lol).. Got home, showered and re-applied for hubby. Did not slather like the other day, but I'm starting small for experimentation sake. I want to increase in tiny increments so I can see exactly how much I need to use. No reaction from him at all, even though I showed plenty of interest. Tomorrow I am going to stick with the same fragrance, but increase the area of phero application. The saga continues tomorrow....

[Princess Fiona]

Alright, today I applied bang w/LP Red. This time I put on double what I put on yesterday. I put a filled quarter sized very wet circle on each wrist, forearms crease, and in the cleavage 4 good swipes. I put an adequate amount of LP Red to cover. Today I noticed that my male co-worker was really chatty with me and receptive to my conversation. No sparks or flirting though. Got home and hubby didn't really seem to react, but I did not reapply and it had been 10 hours since I applied. I then reapplied and ate dinner. Hubby seemed to hover a bit more than usual but no real sparks. Tomorrow I am going to tripple my original dose and test at that level. I think I am starting to get close to minimum reaction level. The saga continues....

[luna65]

The other thing to consider is: if you slather in cops and make an overt move, it's very likely you will get what you want. It's not necessarily that cops are going to make your partner pounce on you like a chew toy (it does happen but it's not a guarantee), but if you're sending that special signal and you enforce it with the appropriate behavior (and visual cues), then a Happy Ending is entirely possible.

 

In concert with the empircal evidence, I believe copulins serve to remind men that you are a woman and so triggers the engrained behavior, but again that's not necessarily going to translate to sexual interest every time. There's a lot of filters those reactions have to pass through before they are publicly displayed.

Edited January 21, 2012 by luna65

[Princess Fiona]

The other thing to consider is: if you slather in cops and make an overt move, it's very likely you will get what you want. It's not necessarily that cops are going to make your partner pounce on you like a chew toy (it does happen but it's not a guarantee), but if you're sending that special signal and you enforce it with the appropriate behavior (and visual cues), then a Happy Ending is entirely possible.

 

In concert with the empircal evidence, I believe copulins serve to remind men that you are a woman and so triggers the engrained behavior, but again that's not necessarily going to translate to sexual interest every time. There's a lot of filters those reactions have to pass through before they are publicly displayed.

Thank you Luna! You know so much about this subject I appreciate you sharing your knowledge with me. I totally agree with you that pheros/cops are more of a signal type thing not a pounce formula. I'm just kind of documenting were my personal effective dose is so I can have it for comparison. I also agree with you about the filters thing and I am looking at it from that perspective. I know that work is not the best place to try them out, but I live in a rural area and work is like the meeting place for everyone in the community as there are no fancy things like paved roads, stores, gas stations or anything else in town. I'm not expecting people at work to pounce lol, its just that we live so far out that I wouldn't necisarily see anyone other than hubby anywhere else unless neighbors came to visit or we drive into town to go to walmart or something.

[luna65]

Ah okay; in that context then I completely understand.

[Rosebud]

I visited my doc yesterday, she was talking about how wonderfully well modern testosterone treatments work for men over 45. She said that they are now available in the form of gels to apply to the skin, and patches, while the old way was injections. She said she's been prescribing for her male patients and she sees a phenominal improvement in them at 3 months, and by 6 months,

I'm very interested in hearing more about this type of treatment. And Dr Rosebud, please feel free to chime in if you've any wisdom from your medical knowledge too.

 

The link between Testosterone levels & depression is not really new knowledge in the medical world, but the use of testosterone supplements to treat depression (amongst other things) is still considered quite new as it's only been around for about 10 years or so. 10 years may sound like a long time but in terms of development of new treatments, proving safety & obtaining FDA approval etc, it's really not long at all. Because testosterone supplementation is still considered a "new therapy" not all countries, or doctors have come on board and started prescribing it. In the UK & Europe it's more commonly used/prescribed than in the States I think. It's not only used for men either. In the UK there are also low-dose testosterone patches that are prescribed for women with low testosterone levels.

 

Personally I think it's quite strange that the concept of testosterone supplementation is still not fully recognised as "proper medical treatment" by some doctors. It's a well known fact that testosterone levels decline with age, in some faster than in others. Similarly the influence of testosterone levels on mental health & over-all wellness (cognitive ability, weight, libido, vitality/energy etc) is a well established medical fact proven by years & years or rigorous research. So why is it that with women, menopause & hormonal imbalance, medical treatment with HRT for example, is completely accepted by doctors & practised on a daily basis? Why is it that supplementing & correcting imbalances in hormone levels is considered the obvious thing to do when the patient in front of you is female, but when the patient is male the same treatment concept (ie supplementing with hormones) is no longer the obvious choice. Doesn't make any sense to me...

 

Here's a few interesting articles about testosterone, the links to mental health etc, and the use of testosterone supplements;

 

http://ajp.psychiatryonline.org/article.aspx?Volume=160&page=105&journalID=13

 

http://jcp.sagepub.com/content/45/2/177.abstract?ijkey=2ddf165fbbfcfa9755a9b9a5091a4f7a77d2a96f&keytype2=tf_ipsecsha

 

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2004/11/041123115913.htm

 

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15084139

 

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17178554

[Potion Master]

Thank you SO MUCH for this Rosebud. I forwarded this information to one of my friends who has been interested in the subject and could likely benefit from this kind of treatment.

 

HUGZ!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

~ Mara

[perfumesniffer]

I have PCOS, just recently got off of BCP. Cops make me feel more sensual. Haven't had a chance to try them on a man. I know that I don't tolerate alpha-androstenol well, that may be due to my own testosterone levels. Sexology is my favorite "feminine" phero blend, it just makes me feel happy and energetic. If I do acquire a male lover, I'll be certain to try all my phero'd fumes on them and report on the results.

[AlienChangeling]

I ordered a bottle of OCCO white in my last order so I am going to try slathering with that (like, erhm, Valentine's Day?) and getting all flirty and seeing what happens. I thought the white would probably blend well with the sorts of fragrances I tend to like, if I choose to mix and match.

[Princess Fiona]

I ordered a bottle of OCCO white in my last order so I am going to try slathering with that (like, erhm, Valentine's Day?) and getting all flirty and seeing what happens. I thought the white would probably blend well with the sorts of fragrances I tend to like, if I choose to mix and match.

Have fun!! I ordered a bottle of OCCO Red. Gonna try it with some UN Pheros layered on.

[Raq On]

I ordered a bottle of OCCO white in my last order so I am going to try slathering with that (like, erhm, Valentine's Day?) and getting all flirty and seeing what happens. I thought the white would probably blend well with the sorts of fragrances I tend to like, if I choose to mix and match.

 

OCCO white is an awesome layerer. I am a HUGE fan of cops anyway. Luna, I remember you stating though that if you wear too many cops, it can have the opposite effect. Is this for those who don't have PCOS? What I'm getting at is the amount of scent to put on. I am 44, so I assume I'm not producing the estrogen etc. I was 20 years ago, does that give me the green light to go at it a bit more liberally with the cops? I have UN sprays of Bang, Sexology, and BI. (also a fee OCCO's) What should my application be? So far I've been using about 2-4 quick sprays from the sample sized bottle

[Invidiana]

I'm a few months shy of 30 myself also with PCOS, and I, personally, haven't had to use large doses to get a rection. But then again, my testosterone levels aren't too far out of whack. So that might explain it...

 

On a related topic, do you take anything? I'm not on birth control either, so my dr suggested vitex (chasteberry) and I'm now regular as clockwork and NONE of the cystic acne associated with higher testosterone levels. I don't want to be dramatic, but it's completely turned my life around. Talk to you doc and see if that's a viable solution for you.

 

I have PCOS and after years of trying about 394539468 types of birth control, because apparently I also have a very low tolerance for progestin (which all the newer types have in high doses) so my doctor finaly put me on an older one that has higher estrogen levels and it drastically reduces the symptoms. It's changed my life as well. Sometimes I'd wait months for a period, with the longest being 6 months, which was when she discovered I was getting cysts and gave me a 400mg dose of straight progestin for a week which made me feel like I had the stomach flu for a month and a half. Pregnancy, which boosts your progestin levels to 400mg in the second trimester and 550 (!!!) in the third, would probably end up making me violently ill but that sits just fine with me because I don't want kids.

 

Enough of my jabbering. Returning to pheros I have a question for you fellow ladies with PCOS: are the self-effects different for you than for most reviewers? I find that some which tend to make others horny (like Lace) cheer me up but don't give me any sexual effects. Then again being on birth control and an antidepressant for my PCOS I do have the sex drive of your average paving stone so that might just be me.

[Raq On]

Then again being on birth control and an antidepressant for my PCOS I do have the sex drive of your average paving stone so that might just be me.

 

Ha! This is so true. When I took Prozac years ago I felt so....blah in that department. Loved the drug in every other aspect, but the no sex drive was a deal breaker for me. Having no sex drive began to make me feel depressed and anxious all over again.

[luna65]

Luna, I remember you stating though that if you wear too many cops, it can have the opposite effect. Is this for those who don't have PCOS? What I'm getting at is the amount of scent to put on. I am 44, so I assume I'm not producing the estrogen etc. I was 20 years ago, does that give me the green light to go at it a bit more liberally with the cops? I have UN sprays of Bang, Sexology, and BI. (also a fee OCCO's) What should my application be? So far I've been using about 2-4 quick sprays from the sample sized bottle

I would assume; anyone who is producing an amount which the analog is meant to represent (healthy fertile female) doesn't need enhancement in that regard, technically. But as far as application it's whatever works for you, if you're using that much without any negative effect on others then I'd say that's your sweet spot.

[Invidiana]

Ha! This is so true. When I took Prozac years ago I felt so....blah in that department. Loved the drug in every other aspect, but the no sex drive was a deal breaker for me. Having no sex drive began to make me feel depressed and anxious all over again.

 

Seriously, sometimes it makes me feel more rock than human. I have to be very, very provoked to get truly turned on. It was great in high school because I didn't "get into trouble" but when you're 26 and aiming for a serious relationship it can be a problem. Unfortunately Lexipro was what took away cramps so severe I was barely able to walk the first day of my period, so for now at least it stays. :/

[Rosebud]

Unfortunately Lexipro was what took away cramps so severe I was barely able to walk the first day of my period, so for now at least it stays. :/

 

Viddy, sweety..... That's NOT normal. And managing this level of pain by popping pills that numb down who you are & how you interact with people isn't adequate medical management. Accepting a certain level of side effects when taking medications as a compromise to reducing the unwanted symptoms is fine, but "feeling more like a rock than human" and having no libido goens beyond what you should accept in terms of side effects. You need to get thee to a proper doctor, and by that I mean a gyno doc, not your general practitioner. Quality of life is soo important, and that involved more than just being pain free...