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Rosebud, that's exactly what they do to heart patients. Quality of life or no.

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AC, I made my earlier post partly because I was wondering about male heart patients too.

 

Rosebud: Hypothetical situation - if a guy is a heart patient and it's not safe for him to take Viagra for example, can he still take testosterone treatments? Or is testosterone equally as dangerous in that case?

 

I hope you don't mind the imposition on your time and expertise. Thank you in advance for your reply, and please let me know if you do not feel comfortable with me asking you these questions and I will respectfully cease.

 

xoxox

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I have PCOS and after years of trying about 394539468 types of birth control, because apparently I also have a very low tolerance for progestin (which all the newer types have in high doses) so my doctor finaly put me on an older one that has higher estrogen levels and it drastically reduces the symptoms. It's changed my life as well. Sometimes I'd wait months for a period, with the longest being 6 months, which was when she discovered I was getting cysts and gave me a 400mg dose of straight progestin for a week which made me feel like I had the stomach flu for a month and a half. Pregnancy, which boosts your progestin levels to 400mg in the second trimester and 550 (!!!) in the third, would probably end up making me violently ill but that sits just fine with me because I don't want kids.

 

Enough of my jabbering. Returning to pheros I have a question for you fellow ladies with PCOS: are the self-effects different for you than for most reviewers? I find that some which tend to make others horny (like Lace) cheer me up but don't give me any sexual effects. Then again being on birth control and an antidepressant for my PCOS I do have the sex drive of your average paving stone so that might just be me.

Hey Invi, I have the same thing. I take 150mg of Zoloft to treat PCOS related depression. Before pheros, my sex drive was nil...like I would rather vomit or hide out in the closet than have sex. I have found that pheros have increased my sex drive by about 50%. I get the most self effects when I wear LP red w/sexpionage and a large amount of extra cops. It makes me ravenous...which is really a miracle. I also get self effects to a lesser extent w/SS4W and Bang with a large amount of extra cops. I think the cops really set up the other pheros to work for me. I'm curious though about BC pills. I have never used any birth control and am not using any now, but from what you say the estrogen really helps. I'm interested in checking this out. Is there a particular brand that works best?

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Rosebud: Hypothetical situation - if a guy is a heart patient and it's not safe for him to take Viagra for example, can he still take testosterone treatments? Or is testosterone equally as dangerous in that case?

 

@PM, I don't mind general questions or hypothetical scenarios. Just as long as everyone understands that all I can offer is "an educated opinion" in these discussions. Legally I can't offer any specific medical advice or diagnose anything as being in a virtual environment I wouldn't have actually personally seen or examined the person in question, and without that you don't have enough to form a diagnosis or suggest specific medical management.

 

In terms of your question....it depends on what the actual definition of "heart patient" is for the individual. Being a "heart patient" is an umbrella term that covers a huge spectrum of conditions, all of which can also have different ranges of severity. So, basically someone who takes tablets for well controlled mild or moderate hypertension (high blood pressure) is a heart patient....but so is the person with stage 4 heart failure who is chronically so out of breath they can hardly cope to walk 10 feet to the toilet, and who takes 6 or 7 different heart medications several times a day just to stay alive.

 

Basically, there is no yes or know answer to your question. Although using testosterone supplementation doesn't cause heart problems directly (i.e if a person doesn't have any heart problems before starting testosterone they won't develop these problems), but there are some studies that show that patients who have pre-existing heart disease who take testosterone, have a higher risk of developing cardiovascular problems. There are some studies that show that the risk of developing cardiovascular problems (eg. heart attack or stroke) is almost 4 times higher in those that have pre-existing heart disease compared to those without heart problems. Having said that though, those studies didn't define the exact nature of the pre-existing heart problems, so it's difficult to assess for individual patients if it's worth the risk. If for example all the patients in the studies have heart failure, or have had cardiac stents fitted for narrowing of vessels in the heart, then they would already be at high risk of developing further problems, and you can't compare a patient population like that with a person who only has mild hypertension. If on the other hand the patients in the studies all had relatively minor pre-existing heart disease then, that increased risk that was seen is a lot more important to be cautious of.

 

So, to make a long story short. In my opinion, a person with pre-existing heart disease shouldn't start testosterone supplementation on their own. They should only do so after having been assessed by their heart doctor, and whilst being under their supervision. IF the doctor and the patient both agree that their pre-existing heart problems are minor enough for it to be reasonable to say that the symptoms experienced without testosterone supplements are so bad that it over-rides not wanting to treat due to the possibility of there being an increased risk of further serious heart problems occuring.

 

Clear as mud? :)

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Very valuable, Rosebud. Thank you so much, that was very helpful.

 

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This is a fascinating topic. Thanks to the medical field ladies that have shared their info! Should I move this discussion to it's own thread so we don't completely threadjack Fiona? I originally posted here because I think the issues are related. When we're dealing with men with low testosterone, we can drive ourselves crazy trying to pherobomb them and get a reaction, but maybe there's another part of the equation - in the form of testosterone treatment - that can "help the cause".

I realize this is a much older thread but because I find it so interesting I wanted to jump in... (and I don't want to start another post when there's already a good one going - even if it's not exactly my question, it somehow interestingly relates) I hope it gets re-visited so I can get some adv...

 

My husband is on Low-T therapy which was wonderful timing when I stumbled upon LPMP... my problem is the roller coaster that I have recently gotten on: Peri-menopause.

 

When this all started for me about 6 months ago (TMI: my "every 28 days like clockwork" became every 60 days beginning last fall) I didn't think much of it because I found my libido rising in addition to the convenience of not entertaining the monthly monster. I was obviously having major hormone fluctuation because at the time I stumbled upon LPMP in early March; I was literally at a point where I couldn't get enough sex and LP really took it all to a new level for me - experimenting with the pheros and cops reaction from my husband was a ton of fun and honestly, really gave our 20 year marriage a much needed shot in the arm.

 

So I'm cruising along thinking, this is great - my husband's got his mojo back and amazingly mine is too...what's so bad about heading into menopause?? Well, the Menopause fairy must've decided to cut me off because now - about 75 days later - my libido has left the station, and taking its place with a vengance has been PMS-like moodiness, irritability, depression and a major lack of energy. And the pièces de ré·sis·tance... hot flashes. MAJOR hot flashes. The kind that wake me up at 3am miserable, throwing the covers off, turning the AC down... only to change into chills 30 minutes later. Covers, no covers, covers.... you get the picture. I've averaged about 4 hours of sleep each of the last 4 nights. I'm in a panic because hubs is planning this second honeymoon trip for us in about a month... and of course two months ago I thought that was an AWESOME plan. Now I'm actually dreading it.

 

I've ordered a lot from LP since March - with quite a bit focused on EoW. Loved the additions, LAM, BAM, Occo... and they have the exact effect on my husband that I wanted! But NOW, suddenly, it's like the Cops scent in stuff is starting to bug me....this all coincided with all these OTHER lovely symptoms I'm experiencing of late. Can this menopause BS trigger my sudden unexpected burnout on EoW ? So now I'm frantically trying to figure out what pheros might make me just feel better enough to function amid the chaotic moodiness (and the damn hot flashes). I got up this am frantically searching on the computer for natural solutions or supplements, HRT, etc. I'm sleep-deprived and desparate of course so I'm trying NOT to jump the gun too much. I've tried using OW and Flying Potion and they seem to take the edge off and lift my spirits somewhat... I was thinking about DHEAS (straight) or SS4W as my next order... something to make ME feel better, as opposed to affecting those around me (or having my bones jumped.)

 

Has anyone tried the HRT pellets that are (supposedly) not as bad for you as the ones prescribed years ago (the ones that are attributed to cancer risk, etc.)? I'm going tomorrow to go have the usual bloodwork done to check all this stuff out... my last work up in August still showed my hormone levels were not at even peri-meno levels. I'm SURE something must be drastically different at this point.

 

I hate hijacking this post but there's been such good discussion here about all facets of this stuff. I have several close YOUNG friends who suffer with PCOS and it is heartbreaking! Why is it that SO much research and emphasis is put into finding help for men and THEIR testosterone troubles as they get older (there have been about a dozen "LOW-T" clinics that have popped up around our area in the last year alone!) but it's so hard to find help for the myriad of things women are suffering at the hands of hormones through all stages of their lives?!

 

:Emoticons04284: I feel helpless and alone with all this. Guess I need to get a spritz of Flying Potion again and try to get through the day...

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Why is it that SO much research and emphasis is put into finding help for men and THEIR testosterone troubles as they get older (there have been about a dozen "LOW-T" clinics that have popped up around our area in the last year alone!) but it's so hard to find help for the myriad of things women are suffering at the hands of hormones through all stages of their lives?!

It is - like so many other aspects where women are ignored or slighted - just another of the myriad facets of institutionalized sexism, really.

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Thanks Luna... you are my favorite purveyor of "tellin' it like it is" terms.... Male Priviledge and now Institutionalized Sexism. Ever thought of running for office? You could probably fix things (but I know there are much more rewarding things to do with your time and talent.)

 

I'm just so happy and surprised that someone actually returned to this 'old' post! When I was composing it I thought "no one will ever know I wrote this..." (Cue the howling winds and tumbling tumbleweeds)

 

I'm actually going to a doc tomorrow that (supposedly) specializes in 'cutting edge' (don't they all say that now?) hormone alternatives for women. We shall see. I've been so Lizzy Borden today that I've scared myself into believing that this hormone crap shouldn't be glossed over... (i just had the image of Glenn Close in "Fatal Attraction" saying "I will not be IGNORED!" )

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Off topic I know... did you escape the fire/road closures ok? (Luna) I thought about you when I watched a report last night and it showed this community that was suddenly "under seige" because the winds suddenly and very unexpectedly shifted 90 degrees... my nephew (who is a fire chief here in the midwest) said the fires on the West coast are far more threatening, unpredictable and dangerous than the news media depicts - I can't imagine because to me they look pretty damn bad on the news!

 

At least if I'm off topic its in a 2012 forum, LOL.

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It is - like so many other aspects where women are ignored or slighted - just another of the myriad facets of institutionalized sexism, really.

 

Luna is right - there really is a dangerous lack of research when it comes to women and medicine. Both in areas that are often female specific but also until very recently often a shortage of females in the "test populations" for most drugs.

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Luna is right - there really is a dangerous lack of research when it comes to women and medicine. Both in areas that are often female specific but also until very recently often a shortage of females in the "test populations" for most drugs.

I didn't realize that QG...OMG I would sign up tomorrow for a drug trial for this kind of research if I knew of one. I do know that the past 3 nights for me have been something I NEVER envisioned when I'd hear stories (usually in the guise of a joke!) about the woes of heading into menopause and hot flashes, etc. I am dreading actually going to bed tonight, truly. I think I need to break out the Ambien to see if I can just get past the 4 hour mark. Naturally the LP stuff has been SO great for me on the 'other' end of the spectrum that I think maybe I need to look for more 'selfies' for a change! LOL...

 

Wow. I am so impressed that someone else read a post in a forum from 2012... this definitely proves that with a little searching you can find a forum for just about anything (and no need to start yet another post... which I'm sure helps with the forum housekeeping)

 

Lastly, you always add interesting info, opinions (and also levity!) to posts, QG, and I appreciate that. You and Luna have the gift of packing a punch into a short post too. Admittedly, I do have the verbose gene...

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I didn't realize that QG...OMG I would sign up tomorrow for a drug trial for this kind of research if I knew of one.

 

Lastly, you always add interesting info, opinions (and also levity!) to posts, QG, and I appreciate that. You and Luna have the gift of packing a punch into a short post too.

 

Thank you! This is something Mrs. QG and I see waaaay too much and comment on back and forth all the time.

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Ever thought of running for office? You could probably fix things (but I know there are much more rewarding things to do with your time and talent.)

Oh good lord no, I'm way too grumpy to hold public office. Besides, that would severely cut into my fanfic-writing time. :P

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I'm a student of life and notice patterns, and while I know this is a large forum, I have to say outside of a PCOS forum, I've never seen so many other ladies with PCOS. I have it, too. Fascinating.

I wasn't diagnosed until my late 20s because I did have regular periods, and I did have some ovulations, but my eggs turned to painful cysts, so I had the pheromones and DH reacted awesomely to them. (As in throw me on the bed, hair pulling, talk my ear off, caveman. I can believe cops raise the Testosterone because DH is borderline low-T and is normally a very calm, tender lover. Until I knew about that connection I'd wonder who this "dirty talk" guy was, and what I could do to get him back, LOL!)

I'm now forty-four and my cycle has been insane the last year. I don't think I've had one actual ovulation, and I apparently have a golf-ball-sized cyst that isn't going away on one of my ovaries (joy). I'm going in this week find out about having it removed. So far playing with the OCCO samples in the last two weeks and Pherogirl I haven't noticed DH reacting differently to me. Things haven't been anything to complain about when we are together, but there hasn't been any hair pulling either. ;) It's definitely "My body, my phero science project" and it'll be fun to (hopefully) find the sweet spot.

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CCS, Cops are hit or miss with me as well. BUT, have you tried Sexpionage yet? OMG! That stuff really is a BOMB! I get amazing self effects and effects from my partner as well and to be honest, I really don't think that either he or I are big responders to cops on their own. I am menopausal. I had hoped, but nope. But as long as something is working, I am not complaining! Everyone is so vastly different. I have developed patience in my experimenting.

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I haven't yet, Rose, that's in my cart (sample) along with pretty much every other phero blend in a fragrance that I didn't get in a sample, so that I can see what works. And I'm very curious about the LAM, and BAM mixes, too. And if I'm passed that part of life, then I suppose I'll live with that, too. Not ready to give up yet, though, I haven't yet tried straight EoW and all that 'cheese' yet. :D.

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