Newbie need advices. Long post and pls help

[ferguson_tracy]

Im newbie and first post here, started my experiments since early Aug. Please move it if I post at the wrong place.

 

My first order was LFM with LP Pink in spray and Lace scented with Vampire bait in oil. After read threads of LFM and your experiences of mixing combos, I ordered Gotcha, PM, OW and Bang, all UNs and in oil.

 

For LFM scented, I worn it for 4 days last week; i got some hits from the co workers and contractors. They offered me a free coffee and helped me to fix items without charges. I have know them for years and my really first time received compliments on my outfits and makeup (just a white Tee, black jeans and i dressed like that more than million times! AND i wear smoky eyes daily since I graduated from high school in 2001) and they showed "they are willing to help" faces, invited for coffee break. (They mostly asked to reboot/restart the console before they came over for checking). And i totally believed it was LFM. However, Main problem: there's nothing special, maybe just a little more happier from my target.

 

My target, Mr Wolf, oh let me introduce some backgrounds of us. We are co-workers and knowing each other for 8 years. We started dating on December 2014 but end up he asked for break up on May 2016. He told me that he was happy with me and we did have a really good memories. So, Mr Wolf is my ex; and he wants to focus on work and study more than a relationship.

 

Yesterday, I worn Lace and tried my best to keep distance within 3 feet around Mr Wolf, kept him stay for discussions. No special effects from him after our 15mins discussion; we then went back to our own working counters, i found him looked at me a few times in whole morning, specially when customers approached me; also, he was active to solve things for me. (Im not sure it was Lace or just being gentle as an ex). For other co workers, i noticed every one around me was happy and chatty even we were over workload last night, all seemed helpful and helped me to move stuffs.

 

And about my gotcha order, I received last night and IMMEDIATELY opened and tried. I didn't see any self effects and I applied on today.

 

I applied Gotcha in between of girls ,a V on chest, 2 stripes on both side of my neck. I didn't apply on belly as time is not allowed in the morning; and I could only do my applications in Office washroom. After 20 mins, the oil was still wet on my skin (I found no problem on drying with Lace), but I saw Mr Wolf was arriving and i just simply did 4 sprays of LFM on my chest, 1 spray each on both side of my neck and 1 spray each on both arms. Because the oil was still wet, i just spread them by back of my hands.

 

Mr Wolf came to work with his tired face, no Good morning, no speaking. Like half hour later, he came to me with his coffee and we started chatting. We were arranged to work for the same issue this morning, but not too much chatting during working. Before we went out for lunch, I re-applied a few sprays of LFM. I picked a seat next to him, in order to let him 'smell' me. Again, I didn't notice any effects on him. However, when got back to work, I found his eyes searched me on the Sales floor for a few times, like he needed to make sure that I was in his sight. Was it count as one of effect? After 1 hour re application?

 

Now, Im thankful if you are still reading my long post. Am sorry if my English is not good and my grammar sucks; i have some questions and seek for your comments and suggestions.

 

I read that some of you had a good experience with mixed LFM and Gotcha. Was I applying correctly? The layer should be Gotcha oil first then LFM spray?

 

So far, I'm not sure about self effects, I just feel 'normal' at all. But the scent of LP Pink is real good on me and I keep putting up my arms and smell it. Vampire Bait is good too.

 

Does smoking affect the pheros? (Haha I really love the scent of LP Pink. I smell well even after smoking, and it lasts long). Does anyone here smoke too? I did a search at forum, but seem no one mentioned.

 

I found hardly produce body heat in indoor area with high cool air con. I can't turn it low and makes the oil diffuse slowly (Please correct me if my thought is wrong). I used to have TAH in spray and I found the scent and effect were gone so fast like in 2 hours, also i had problems on the self effects. As i mentioned above, Gotcha oil takes me so long to dry down and I can't help on diffusing. Im thinking to order in Spray, but my concern is the duration on my skin.

 

I will try again Gotcha w/ LFM next Tuesday when I work with Me Wolf. Meanwhile, Im thinking on PM, I wanna be closer again with Mr Wolf, more communication and recall him how great time we had before, feel wanted. Mr Wolf is a negative person, he sees world is negative and sometimes occur bad temper and stuck himself in his world. I want to imprint him as the one he can rely on and reduce his anxieties. Do you think PM can work like that, or any pheros you suggest to me?

 

Sorry again for taking your time to read my long long post. I look forward for your comments and responses. And thank you.

[StacyK]

Honestly, I do not recommend mixing LFM & Gotcha. There are very few complex blends that mix together and provide better results than each would provide individually. You are dealing with microbiology here. These blends are carefully balanced ratios created by scientists and people who have studied the field for decades. Change the ratios and you change the whole mix. By mixing two blends you are NOT getting both the described effects of LFM and Gotcha. You are definitely not getting your money's worth by doing that.

Use each blend separately. That's my first bit of advice. Also, I'd dial down the amounts of each blend you are using. After some practice, you'll find your "sweet spot". That's referring to the amount of each pheromone blend you need to apply to get results. The general rule of thumb with pheros is start out easy.. less is often more. Though you may find you need more of one blend than another.

If you are serious about about learning to use pheros effectively you need to slow down. Keep a phero log. Literally get a notebook and write down the amounts when you apply your blend. Later note any precived "hits" you think are phero related. It will help you keep track, over time. It takes some time and practice. Really, just slow down, try one blend at a time and have patience.

 

I see the situation you are in. I am sorry that must be rough. Working with your ex everyday and still having feelings for him. It puts you in a position of being stuck in one place.

 

I addition to your phero experiments on your ex, I'd recommend trying some for yourself. Go out with the girls, or for a drink with coworkers (not Mr Ex) smile, flirt have some fun.

 

There are few people on the forum that are real phero vets. I'm posting a link to a journal thread that you should read. Please go to the first post in the thread to get the info.

 

http://lovepotion.invisionzone.com/index.php?showtopic=8167&page=1

Edited September 3, 2016 by StacyK

[Eggers]

Hi there & welcome to the forum!

 

There are a couple of things that I think might help you get more out of your pheros.

 

First off, try using just one blend. Mara's blends are complex, and intended to elicit certain responses. If you immediately start wearing them together, there's no way to tell what kind of reaction you're going to get from people. Think of it like lipstick: if you wear one colour on your top lip, and a different colour on your bottom lip. It might sound like a good idea, because both colours are pretty colours, but the moment you start going about your day, moving your lips, the colours start to blend, you wind up with a different colour on *both* lips - and maybe that colour is pretty too, or maybe it's turned into a hideous brown, and people start looking at you funny, and you can't figure out why. Same kind of thing with pheros. Try one phero blend at a time.

 

Secondly, it seems to me like you might be wearing too much. (I'm assuming the Gotcha! you applied was unscented), especially the day you put Gotcha! on, and then applied LFM on top of it. That's a lot of pheros. People only give off minute amounts of pheromone naturally - and it works well. When you apply a lot of pheros like you did, it can actually have the opposite effect on people than the one you hoped for. That many pheros coming from one single source can make people steer clear of you because the pheromone signature you're giving off doesn't "compute". A lot of us here have learned that a lot of times, when applying pheromones, less is more. It seems counter-intuitive. It seems like if you put more on, it should have a bigger impact. But it doesn't necessarily work that way.

 

The best way to figure out what works for you with *each* new blend you try, is to start with a small amount, and then work your way up, noting the kinds of responses you're getting with each little increase. It's a bit tedious, but pheros don't work the same for everyone. It's highly personalized. What works for me might not work for you in the same amount.

 

Be careful about how often you reapply, too. The pheros in oil can last a very, very long time on your skin. At the very least, about 6 hours, and in some cases closer to 10. In some cases, they'll still be going strong the next day! The sprays do burn off more quickly. I think they generally last somewhere between 4 & 6 hours. I mention this in part because you probably don't need to reapply as often as you're doing, and because pheromones are expensive - why waste them? I mention these things also because you can OD on pheromones, and it's not a pleasant experience (you can end up with a big headache, or throwing up, you can get the chills etc...).

 

With some of the oils - the ones that have only a small amount of cops, like Gotcha or Cougar, it's okay to apply and then smoosh it around with your wrists to make it dry more quickly. If a product has a lot of cops in it, then it's best to leave it to dry for 10-20 minutes, to allow the copulins to meld properly with your skin.

 

With regards to applying sprays and oils at the same time: if you're applying an oil *perfume* and a spray phero, then yes, you want to apply the oil first, and then spray the phero on top. However, if you're applying an oil-based pheromone with a lot of cops in it, you need to apply the pheromone first, let it dry down for 10-20 minutes, and then apply your scent. It takes a bit of practice getting used to using pheros. And for me, it required a bit of an adjustment to my morning routine, so I'd have time to let any copulin products dry down before I put my scent on. It wasn't a big adjustment, but I did have to switch things around a bit to make sure I was able to get stuff applied in time for it to dry.

 

I smoke, and I've never had any issue with that affecting how my pheros work.

 

The cool air-conditioned air will make your pheros diffuse more slowly, yes. But they're still diffusing - especially if you've applied to your torso. Remember, your body is still warm, and still giving off heat, even though the room is cold, and even though you might feel cold. Diffusion is happening more slowly, but it's still happening. I live in a place with very cold winters, yet my pheros still work. With something like Gotcha!, Lace or LFM, (because either they don't contain cops, or don't contain a lot of cops), I might apply a little to the backs of my hands, to help the pheros get out there more. Also, if you have long hair, the back of the neck is a great place to put pheros that don't have a lot of cops in them. Hair is a great diffuser. You can put a little spritz of your spray pheros, (again, only those without a lot of cops in them), on your hair. The alcohol may dry your hair out though, so be warned!

 

Perfect Match is a great phero, (I'm wearing it right now, in fact), and it may help you foster a deeper relationship with your target. But it's just a pheromone. It can't work magic. If he doesn't want to be in a relationship right now, no phero is going to change his mind.

 

I'd suggest you go to the Reading Room, and read some of the articles posted there, to help you learn to use your pheros & cops more effectively. They're great tools to have in your arsenal, but they do require a little learning and practice. They also require a bit of patience at first.

 

Stacy gave great advice in the post above: slow down, try one blend at a time, and have patience.

 

Good luck!

[Dolly]

HELLO AND WELCOME TRACY! YOUR ENGLISH IS FINE, NO WORRIES HERE......YOU ARE AMONG FRIENDS!

 

EGGERS' POST IS SPOT ON HERE !! AND EGGS......I LOVE YOUR LIPSTICK ANALOGY!

 

AS ANOTHER CAUTION, I WILL ADD.....DO NOT PUT A PRODUCT WITH A LOT OF COPS IN YOUR HAIR! THAT STUFF DOES NOT LIKE TO COME OUT!!

 

 

TRACY, I SUGGEST GOING BACK AND STARTING OVER WITH THE BLENDS......TRY ONE AT A TIME, AND APPLY LESS, SO THAT YOU CAN WORK UP TO FINDING YOUR PROPER DOSAGE. READ MY POST ABOUT LAYERING THAT STACY LINKED ABOVE. ACTUALLY, THERE ARE SEVERAL THREADS FOR NEWBIES IN MY JOURNAL. YOU SHOULD DEFINITELY CHECK SOME OF THEM OUT! ALSO, THE READING ROOM IS A GREAT RESOURCE!

 

 

LAYERING CAN BE TEMPTING, BUT WHEN YOU HAVE COMPLEX BLENDS, IT CAN GIVE YOU AN UNWANTED REACTION OR NO REACTION AT ALL. PLUS, YOU'RE WASTING MONEY. SOME BLENDS ARE SIMPLE AND ARE FUN TO LAYER (SOME ARE EVEN MADE FOR LAYERING). BUT, WHEN YOU ARE STARTING OUT WITH THE COMPLEX BLENDS, STICK WITH ONE UNTIL YOU GET THE HANG OF WHAT THAT PARTICULAR BLEND DOES FOR YOU. ONE TRIAL WILL NOT TELL THE WHOLE STORY, EITHER.

 

 

AND, AS I POINTED OUT IN MY JOURNAL, ALL OF US HAVE LAYERED AT ONE TIME OR ANOTHER. BUT WHEN SOMEONE SAYS....."I WORE THIS MUCH LFM, THIS MUCH GOTCHA, AND THIS MUCH BLATANT INVITATION AND THIS IS WHAT HAPPENED" CHANCES ARE THAT THEIR RESULTS COULD BE A FLUKE OR EVEN THEIR OVER-ACTIVE IMAGINATION (SOME PEOPLE SEE WHAT THEY WANT TO SEE). EVEN IF THEY ARE VALID RESULTS, YOU WOULD HAVE A HARD TIME REPLICATING THEM. AND THAT WOULD BE BECAUSE PHEROS ARE VERY PERSONAL. BODY CHEMISTRY, THE TARGET, THE HISTORY WITH THE TARGET......ALL OF THESE THINGS PLAY A PART IN THE RESULTS. NOT TO MENTION THE FACT THAT NOT ALL BLENDS WORK FOR ALL PEOPLE! THEY ARE NOT A ONE-SIZE-FITS-ALL PRODUCT.

 

 

I FEEL FOR YOU, THAT YOU ARE WORKING WITH SOMEONE THAT YOU HAVE ROMANTIC FEELINGS FOR. I AM SURE THAT IS A DIFFICULT SITUATION. BUT I THINK THIS ONE LINE FROM EGGERS' POST ABOVE IS ONE THAT YOU SHOULD PAY PARTICULAR ATTENTION TO...... "But it's just a pheromone. It can't work magic. If he doesn't want to be in a relationship right now, no phero is going to change his mind." THIS IS SO TRUE. IF HE HAS DECIDED, FOR WHATEVER REASON, THAT HE DOESN'T WANT A RELATIONSHIP, THE PHEROS REALLY CAN'T MAKE THAT HAPPEN.

 

 

HOWEVER, YOU CAN USE THE PHEROS TO LIFT HIS MOOD AND MAKE YOUR WORKING TOGETHER A MORE PLEASANT EXPERIENCE. YOU SAID YOU BOUGHT OPEN WINDOWS? IT IS A GREAT MOOD-LIFTER! I LOVE OW AND AM NEVER WITHOUT A COUPLE OF BOTTLES! I CURRENTLY HAVE IT IN OIL AND IN SPRAY. OTHER SOCIALS LIKE LACE ARE ALSO GREAT, AS YOU HAVE EXPERIENCED, WITH YOUR CO-WORKERS BEING HAPPY AND CHATTY. YOU MAY ALSO WANT TO TRY SCENTED COUGAR......IT PUTS OFF A "SPARKLY" VIBE, AND HAS A DELICIOUS GRAPEFRUIT SCENT.

 

 

AND SWEETIE, THIS IS JUST MY OPINION, BUT I THINK YOU MAY BE BETTER OFF IF YOU TRY TO "MOVE ON" FROM AN EMOTIONAL STANDPOINT. CONTINUALLY TRYING TO "GET HIM BACK" WHEN HE IS OBVIOUSLY NOT READY FOR THAT WILL PROBABLY DO NOTHING OTHER THAN HURT YOU AND WASTE YOUR TIME. I AM SURE THAT ARE TONS OF MEN OUT THERE WHO WOULD LOVE TO BE WITH YOU. GO OUT, HAVE FUN, AND FIND THEM!

 

WELCOME AGAIN, AND LET US KNOW IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS!

[ferguson_tracy]

Thank you, all of you. As a newbie, I m happy to receive your feedbacks, it really took your time on writing the long posts. Thank you again.

 

I understand Pheros cannot change someone's mind but help situation be more pleasant. Although my wish is getting back together, I do more worry his mood and mind. I don't want to be pushed away when he is in bad temper or moody; makes me feel negative when he tells me how bad the life is.

 

I put everything on me last week, because I wanted to see the effects first, so that I could pick the correct one for coming 3-days business trip with him. Also, I only have one and half month time to experience pheros with my ex, Im leaving company on mid October. Time is limited and I rushed everything. This guy was into my life for years from friends, co workers, BF and back to co workers. I don't wanna be strangers or further damage what we have.

 

But yes, after reading your feedbacks and some other threads, Dolly, your post which Stacy shared is great, its punching my face; Stacy, thanks for bringing link here; and I better slow down as Eggers said. Pheros is expensive and the shipping cost to Asia is damn high.

 

Honestly, I cannot move on although I asked to myself. I did some tarot tests and most of results told me to try again, not to giving up. And I think as long as I link with him, I can do something instead if sitting and waiting for my deadline comes.

 

So tomorrow, I will use OW as we are in team working, 3 guys and us; will save the Gotcha and PM for the time when only we two work together.

[Maroon]

Hello, there & welcome!

The expert ladies have already given you great advice. I feel for you in your situation, and I understand your wish to coax a reaction from your ex. I guess the best thing with pheros is to be playful with them and experiment a bit, one at a time. The focus should be on you first. See what you are in the mood for in the morning, and make your pick. And let it work with and for you without checking for reactions. And then the hits may surprise you. It's like a water kettle coming to a boil: if you watch it, it seems like it takes forever. But if you leave the room to do something else, the water will boil in no time.

A tip for working in a cold office: If I feel the pheros don't carry far enough, I'll go to the ladies room, slip out of my high heels and do five minutes of light exercise. Like squats or raising your knees up etc. This brings up your body temperature and the pheros and scent will have a nice spread.

Good luck & best wishes!

[Dolly]

Thank you, all of you. As a newbie, I m happy to receive your feedbacks, it really took your time on writing the long posts. Thank you again.

 

I understand Pheros cannot change someone's mind but help situation be more pleasant. Although my wish is getting back together, I do more worry his mood and mind. I don't want to be pushed away when he is in bad temper or moody; makes me feel negative when he tells me how bad the life is.

 

I put everything on me last week, because I wanted to see the effects first, so that I could pick the correct one for coming 3-days business trip with him. Also, I only have one and half month time to experience pheros with my ex, Im leaving company on mid October. Time is limited and I rushed everything. This guy was into my life for years from friends, co workers, BF and back to co workers. I don't wanna be strangers or further damage what we have.

 

But yes, after reading your feedbacks and some other threads, Dolly, your post which Stacy shared is great, its punching my face; Stacy, thanks for bringing link here; and I better slow down as Eggers said. Pheros is expensive and the shipping cost to Asia is damn high.

 

Honestly, I cannot move on although I asked to myself. I did some tarot tests and most of results told me to try again, not to giving up. And I think as long as I link with him, I can do something instead if sitting and waiting for my deadline comes.

 

So tomorrow, I will use OW as we are in team working, 3 guys and us; will save the Gotcha and PM for the time when only we two work together.

 

If your goal is to lift his mood and make things more pleasant, go with OW. It is a great upbeat blend.