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Yes, essentially. What animals use to detect pheromones is an organ called the Vomeronasal Organ that's essentially analogous to how our nose works, but for pheromones instead of scents. We know this organ is absent in great apes and old world monkeys, so some scientists think that could mean pheromones don't have a huge rule in regulating primate behavior ("pheromone" in this sense refers to a chemical signal that is produced in an animal that affects the behavior/physiology of other animals in the same species, whether it's attracting males, evaluating reproductive status of mates, aggression/fighting, defining terroritories, or accelerating or delaying puberty in some cases).

 

In addition, when you look at the signal transduction cascade (basically the interactions of proteins and ions that are involved in transmitting the signal on a molecular level from the time you encounter a pheromone to the time you detect it/react to it) for pheromone detection in the Vomeronasal Organ, there's a gene called the TRPC2 gene which codes for a receptor that lets in calcium to transmit the signal. However, another support for the disappearance of the pheromone-sensing system in humans is that this TRPC2 gene is a pseudogene in humans, so it doesn't work.

 

BUT there has been studies that show there are some pheromones that are detected by the olfactory epithelium in humans - so the same system we use to detect smells - one of these pheromones is androstenone which was initially identified from pigs. It's a derivative of testosterone and is also found in human sweat and urine.

 

What's interesting is if you were to make people smell androstenone, you'd get a huge range of responses. Some people describe it as "sweaty and urinous," some people as "floral and sweet," and some people are anosmic to it, which means they can't smell it at all. Scientists went in and identified a specific receptor gene in the olfactory system that is really good at responding to androstenone and found that slight differences on that gene contribute to differences in the way people perceive androstenone. We'll call the two most common differences RT and WM.

 

People with the RT type code had a stronger response/were better able to perceive androstenone and described it as "foul-smelling" while people with the WM variation had a severely impaired reaction and described it as more floral/sweet/pleasant smelling. So just because of our small genetic differences, you completely change how people perceive/react to the same molecule. I would guess that this is what also causes all the different ways people react to other pheromones - for example, we've talked on the forums about how some men are fantastic EST responders while some respond better to more dominant pheromones on women.

 

In terms of androstenone affecting behavior, when women were asked to smell male sweat, they reported higher mood, higher sexual arousal, and also had higher amounts of cortisol in their saliva, which is a hormone used to measure levels of stress.

 

Also, Tinkerbelle - I just remembered a study on men and pheromones! The basics of that study was that they had men sniff female tears. Men who sniffed female tears were more likely to rate female faces as less attractive and also tested for less testosterone. So basically the conclusion of that study was female tears had a chemosignal that caused reduced sexual attraction and lower levels of testosterone in men.

 

EDIT: Apologies for the novel - I know there's some scientific terms in here, but I can try to explain more or answer questions if anyone is interested.

Thank you for this! And bring on more novels anytime

I bookmarked a post from 2014 that has links to studies done comparing the effects of beta-androstAnol vs beta-androstEnol

http://lovepotion.invisionzone.com/index.php?showtopic=8945&hl=

That's weird the pertinent ingredient info has always listed for LFM. Cougar is listed as "proprietary".

LFM was my first phero blend. I was looking more for self effects at that time and I noticed that right away. I also got consistent recognizable hits as well.

It usally takes sometime working with a phero blend to get the right dose for you aka "sweet spot".

Make sure you write down you amounts. Start of light, gradually add more if needed. Though you probably want to give each dosage a few tries.

The best starter advice is to put it on and forget it. Hold your headhigh and go about your BAU. Oh and anytime yiu go to buy something wear it. Service generally improves when wearing LFM.

 

FYI the tiny amount of Cops in Cougar are not a big deal. Many of us have Un in spray. The (cop) rules don't apply to that as they would to a cop heavy blend.

Cougar took a little longer. But I got there with it. The selfies are there maybe not as strong as LFM but definitely there. So if you have it don't give up. Keep experimenting with your LFM if you are having fun with that. Than after a break try your Cougar again. Have Fun.

 

eta.. when the regular site is back up you can go to the reading room where there is extensive info on the phero blends and individual molecules.

Thanks, Stacy. I think I must have had the two mixed up as far as proprietary blend, or not.

The "sweet spot" thing, Absolutely don't have that figured out! I'm looking forward to playing though. I was on Etsy this afternoon (not on the LPMP store, but I did stop in haha) looking for a scented hair perfume to spritz either before or after the LFM. I really don't notice a lingering scent with it when I cover with a fragrance on the nape of my neck, but (someone here) had said that hair was great for diffusion, so I'd like to spray into the back of it, or on the top, whatever, and the shampoo/conditioner I'm currently using does not have a very long lingering scent. (wish it did! Milkshake brand, yum!)

You veteran LPMPer's keep on posting, and I'll keep on reading

This is my very first review here

I decided to try LFM after reading volumes here on this forum.

It seems like when I first discovered LPMP a couple of months ago, that the permanent site said the ingredients were "proprietary" (?) Am I just mistaken, or did this change recently? The reason I ask, is because I remember - or think I remember - liking the description of it, but ultimately deciding I wanted to know what was in it, Which is really pretty silly, as even knowing what the pheromones were wouldn't have exactly armed me with enough knowledge anyway.

But, more recently, I was convinced I should at least try it, because of all of the social/sexy blends, this one seemed like it would be *me* amplified.

And it is! I kept reading about *selfies*, and I got nada with UN Cougar (and yes, I know that one doesn't have the ingredients listed, which is why its so funny that I kept avoiding LFM.)

I also like that it doesn't have cops, so I was able to get it in spray form, which is my first phero blend that isn't in oil.

Wearing it makes me feel uplifted, energized, chattier, and really more graceful, although I don't really remember reading if this last attribute as something it is supposed to make the wearer feel.

I guess I'm normally pretty much approachable, friendly, that sort of thing, and I don't really notice a difference in how other people treat me. But, I've only worn it in social/settings outdoors so far, and each time its been kind of windy. (I remember thinking which way is the wind blowing? Am I upwind or down wind lol) So, time will still tell if I notice a difference in how others perceive me. Even though this part is still pretty much an unknown, I still went ahead and ordered a backup bottle, so I could have one to take with me .

Thank you EVERYONE for contributing. It really helps.

A good thing about Etsy (IMO) is the Ebates 1% cash back. But, I confess, in my latest buying frenzy it was just easier to do credit & no ebates. I like PayPal better too though.

I'm going crazy here, a package has been "out for delivery" all day. Called PO, they said a couple of zip codes got mixed up and they're trying their best to still get parcels out today. I *need* to know if I like something in this order, because it was in the going going gone section, and I think there is only one left. (What to do!) I think I'll go check the mailbox again! .... and then that's it for a while. Really.

Thanks I'm not yet ready to write a review yet, but my arsenal continues to multiply!

I find it especially helpful to read the in depth reviews and philosophy of what works and does not work. I appreciate each and every one of you that take the time to do this. For example, talking about whether a pheromone has congruity with the person wearing it. (I hadn't a clue about this at first, of course.) When I read references talking about "selfies" at first I thought it meant a purely sexual effect, but I quickly learned it applied to attitude, confidence, etc.

My first purchase was UN Cougar, and BI. The BI I still have yet to wear in anything but a private setting, but Cougar I have, and sadly have not noticed any self effects in any way with it. I did not feel any sparkly-er. I think maybe I could have gotten better effect if I'd gotten it in a spray form, but have it in oil.

The thing is, I generally am considered by perfect strangers to be approachable and attractive (even at my advanced age ha ha). So I dunno, maybe the UN cougar just doesn't have an effect on others that I pick up on. Possibly it does, but I don't notice it. People usually seem to enjoy being around me. It doesn't seem different when I wear it. I wore it to an FDA conference I spoke at, there was mingling before and afterward, and I got a lot of friendliness from both men and women, but seeing as how I don't usually hang out with the FDA, its not as if I have a comparison model. Maybe they're just friendly people. I tried Cougar again today I had an eye doctor appointment. I've gone to him for years, and he is always cordial. He complimented me, saying I looked nice, which is possibly the only thing different. His assistant was chatty, and the receptionist too, but, as I said, these are not out of the ordinary interactions.

I have LFM in spray on the way, and I'm super excited about that! I think it is more "congruent" in that it would magnify what type of personality I already have. And, I will write a review once I've had a chance to take it for a test drive.

AND I also just ordered Velvet Kisses with Cuddle Bunny. (Promising myself that this really is *it* for a while, in my fragrance/phero/cops buying madness!)

Thank you everyone

Luna, I've added Tonka Musk to my ever growing list, and Tink, yes, you're right. I've started down the path and probably won't be turning back lol.

I did read (somewhere here) that it is an option to send Mara samples of fragrances we'd like to have her interpretation of, and this is something I may try down the line.

I'd barely just found LPMP when the site went down, and it took me a few days to figure out that I could (thankfully) still access the forum. There is so much to learn when it comes to the pheromones. My only past experience with any sort of pheromones, was using the anxiety soothing (canine collar) for my dog, and it did not help him as much as I'd hoped it would. Maybe he's a non responder.

What a friendly and informative community, I'm happy to have found you!

Hi Everyone,

I've been lurking for a while, and reading, reading, and reading some more! The ironic thing is that I originally landed on the main site (Love Potion Magickal Perfumerie) because I was searching for unscented pheromones. As it turns out, I LOVE many of the fragrances I've tried that are offered by LP.

Thank you to all of you who take time to review, share research, and your own methods and thoughts.

One of the scents I just went full bottle on, is Odalisque 2017 w/Bang. The fragrance notes listed are not similar, other than the vanilla, but, on my skin, it smells very much like Tom Ford Tobacco Vanille. I kept sniffing my wrist, trying to figure out what it reminded me of, and finally I figured it out, sprayed a spritz of the TF on my other arm, and yes, so similar.

My all time favorite love from the big perfume houses is Guerlain's Tonka Imperiale. I also treasure a bottle from the 1930's (that I was able to purchase still sealed) of Tabu by Dana. And some Tabu skin oil that is very vintage. Both smell incredible.

Another LPMP fragrance that I now have a spray version of, as well as the oil rollerball bottle, is Aurora. ....AND I have the unscented BI, Cougar and Bang.

I really have to stop shopping! Don't I? But, before I do, if anyone is familiar with the Tonka Imperiale, and they know of a similar LPMP fragrance, please let me know.

Okay... going back to lurking now