Eggers

I once lost a bottle of Shen Tao in my car for a whole hot summer. When I found it under the passenger's seat in the fall, it still smelled exactly like my other bottle. 

Edit: DERP! I just realized you were asking about pheros, not scents. Still, it was great to find out how durable these scents can be. 

Hello! Welcome to the forum! 😃 Have fun with your experiments! Some of my favorite pheros are the social ones. They're good fun!

6 hours ago, halo0073 said:

I remember one time I was melting a beautiful soft powdery floral wax kind of like sneaky clean with a hint of Baby powder and BF walked in and practically shouted, IT SMELLS LIKE POOP in here! I was like dude your nose is broken. All I can think of is that maybe it reminded him of a room spray some old had used in the bathroom after pooping at some point in his life. But when I floated that theory he said no, it literally smelled like poop and old warm farts to him. Lol.

Dude's noses are so frigging bizarre! 😅 

This is exactly why we don't trust them with scents. Omg. 🙄

@halo0073 Yeah, the scent thing is a non-starter. If I went by his nose I'd have to eliminate tons of my favorite notes from my daily wear. Coconut and cherry are 2 that come to mind. I try not to wear cherry scents when I know I'll be around and in close proximity to him, because he really loathes cherries (WTF? Who hates cherries?). But as far as coconut goes, he just has to eat it. It's in too many of my faves. 

He doesn't often comment anymore anyway, unless I ask him to, or unless he strongly objects. 

On the other hand, he's smelled some at different phases, from straight outta the bottle right up till dry down and occasionally his impressions change. 

When it comes down to it, I've realized that it's more important that I like what I'm wearing. 

On 5/25/2019 at 11:49 PM, FlowerPower said:

Thank you ladies I’m going to have to add this to my arsenal. 

 

UPDATE: the LFM and DHEAS worked wonderfully well. We had a great day of bonding and my dear boyfriend bought me a beautiful $700 bracelet “just because”. It’s gorgeous and I feel great!! 

Omg! Wow! I think I've tried this combination before, but it certainly didn't end like this!!! 😮😮😮

50 minutes ago, FlowerPower said:

Did you all notice how I reported the LFM/DHEAS combo results above? No one was surprised??? Feedback? Is this normal? 

 

Another question. Do you notice that your blends with pheros work less when you’re on your period?

I honestly couldn't say if that's normal. Maybe you should try it again! 

I haven't noticed that my pheros work less when I have my period... 🤔 I have noticed that they're more likely to backfire on me in some way just before and during the first couple of days. 

1 hour ago, Eastwood22 said:

It makes sense you're a Capricorn. And Sag's can, of course, be more wild and adventurous, but a Cap's humor is priceless! 

I am such a Libra. That man in my kitchen making my kids lunches at 6:30am reminds me nothing of Gemini's! Except when we're giggling away, making our secret jokes. I think his Gemini parts only come out when I'm overtired and already prone to fits of giggles.

Yeah, Cappies are pretty funny peeps, on the whole. My old Manager Dude was a "late degree" Capricorn, and LOOKED very stuffy. (Okay, who's kidding whom? He's a pretty stuffy dude). But his extraordinarily reserved delivery of funny comments was particularly entertaining. Sometimes it was shocking, like hearing a priest tell the raunchiest joke you've ever heard as part of his Sunday service!   

I think it's pretty neat how signs can present themselves so differently (on the outside) depending on which house they land in in the natal chart. BF's are all in his 3rd House, so his Gem traits are all being played through an amp that goes to 11, if you know what I mean.   We have giggles and secret jokes too. I love those moments! 

15 hours ago, Lainey said:

 

I knoooow but I already have so many! And I'm testing out all my new ones (which are the Pherotine ones, not the latest summer releases), and I like sooo many of them so far!

I just meant that sometimes you've gotta do stuff for yourself, regardless of the opinions of others. If I left every perfume that BF didn't like on the shelf, I'd NOT have quite a few of my favorite scents to wear and enjoy for myself. There are so many notes he's not fond of, and a few of them are my favorite notes - coconutty things and cherry things in particular. It's just too much work to navigate his likes on top of my own. Yeah, it's nice when he enjoys the scent I happen to be wearing, but since I have to spend the day with me, I'd rather I like it. Besides, most men's noses are weird and unsophisticated discerners of notes. Half of them say that everything smells like baby powder or "flowers". Those aren't noses I'd want guiding my scent choices.  

14 hours ago, anchoredinopulence said:

 @Eggers, I am so with you I feel as if I could have written that! And I saw you were a Cappie, I'm a Cappie too (with Virgo rising and Leo moon). I have notoriously also fallen for my share of Gemini men, I could write a book about the Gemini love affairs in my life. Aaand my mother is a Gemini... aaand these are stories for another day. 🤣

 

But maybe there's something more to unlock there around Cap/Earth induced patterns of emotionality and vulnerability (or lack thereof) and what these blends elicit within us? I'm a friendly person but very introverted and private. And like you I can more than fill a space when I need and want to, and when I'm around people I trust and love, but most times I play my cards pretty close. My fledgling theory is that bnol puts me in a place where I subconsciously believe I'm being forced to reveal myself when I'm not ready, or that my privacy is being infringed upon even when it's clearly not, which makes that vulnerability and sadness show up that's probably also linked to childhood conditioning around safety and sharing. And now I think it's probably time to bring my conjecturing (not a word?) to a different thread.

@anchoredinopulenceYour Moon is either in my 8th House or conjunct the cusp of it! I love Leo Suns & Moons.   I also have a strong preference for Gemini people, men or women. 

You might be onto something with your theory. Wearing what feels like too much beta-nol makes me feel vulnerable, almost like I'm see-through and that others don't like my unintentionally exposed bits. My Cappy Moon might have something to do with that. It's in my First House, in a tidy little stellium with my Sun and Jupiter, (Jupiter also happens to be my chart ruler), which tends to make my moods quite big and visible, whether good or bad. That high visibility - especially when I'm in a bad mood - definitely contributes to my feeling vulnerable around my emotions being "seen" by others. Maybe too much beta-nol accentuates that sense of vulnerability and the feeling of unwanted transparency? Interesting theory.... 

10 minutes ago, Eastwood22 said:

 

There must be a contest happening to see who can keep me on off-topic rants the longest! 

 

We've had a few conversations about the abomination that is 20 year olds in mom jeans. Here's the thing, I think the whole thing is based on a misunderstanding. In the 80's, denim didn't have 2% Lycra or spandex or whatever. Lower rise jeans hadn't been invented yet, but when guess came out with the shorter front zippers, the leg taper, and the zippers on the ankles, it was a BIG FUCKING DEAL. I worked in an expensive "designer" (Sassoon, Gloria Vanderbilt, etc) denim store thru HS so I know too much about 80's denim. I tried on every single pair that we ever got shipped in that ducking store. The owner had a great eye for denim and did custom alterations. He always steered customers to the smallest size possible because the denim stretched naturally, not because it had Lycra. Which meant it didn't snap back to its original shape until washed and shrunk and then restretched through honest movement and thick thighs. But here's the thing, the waist bands are double/triple sewn and reinforced AND DO NOT STRETCH. So those tight waist bands chose the path of least resistance, which means RIDING UP to the thinner waist than down to the thicker hips, which lead to that look of puffy belly and camel 🐫 toe. So anyone who's wearing it because it's a retro look is not understanding that people only looked like that back then because no one had bothered to put Lycra in the denim! It's a fashion trend based on a misunderstanding and a lack of denim technology.

P.S. please try to remember what I said about waist bands choosing the path of least resistance when cutting jeans into shorts and add 2 inches to where you think they're going to start showing off your legs. And make the inseam approx 1/2 inch longer than outseam so it doesn't look like your inner thighs are sucking the shorts upwards.

We totally need a "GOING OT" thread, where we can just copy/paste, and continue on our merry way!  

This. All of this. Every last thing you said up there. No Lycra, reinforced waistbands, paths of least resistance, and thighs sucking shorts upwards. Horrible business, all of it.  

I work with 3 girls who wear these pants all the time, and I feel SO physically uncomfortable whenever I look at them, it's like I'M wearing the horrible jeans. 

As far as shorts go, I've taken my own path of least resistance, and started cutting my jeans from my chubbier days. Yeah, they're baggy and loose and look like sh*t, but man, they're comfy. And given that I'm in the middle of my "f*ck it forties", I'm okay with that.  

LOL! I'm a Capricorn too! Cap Sun, Moon, Mercury & Jupiter! LOL! Sagittarius Ascendant, Venus & Mars though, so it evens out all my Cappy "no fun" bits.     

I wondered what your sign/rising sign were a few days ago, @Eastwood22, when you mentioned that your BF is Gemini. Mine too. Gemini Sun, Moon & Mars, all conjunct, two of them in his 3rd/Gemini House. He's an uber Gemini. 

9 minutes ago, Eastwood22 said:

"Wore it out Saturday night to see a sorta hardcore heavy metal cover band.  The crowd was much younger and less alternative than who usually shows up at these gigs." 

My man is a sound engineer and he has been going on rants lately about how the twenty somethings are dressing these days, with their mom jeans and super unsexy, weird conservative outfits. 

"the young lead singer (who has been phero clouded by me at a prior show) shoved himself between me and their normal merch dude to handle my purchase.  He couldn’t find the shirt I wanted in the right size in their jumble and was hilariously heartbroken I might be being inconvenienced.  His over the top excitement when he found it was even more funny" This is total Gossamer Threads/ CB reaction! I once gave my trial vial to a gal at a sandwich shop because she was fawning over me and how great I smelled. 

 

I love that! I've also had it happen to me with butch lesbian women who post up to protect me. It's so sweet and it's happened in CB for me, too. 

I love the effects from Gossamer Threads, but I hope someday to find a more "me" scent for my CB. Most of my sprays affect me on scent alone and Gossamer Threads, scentwise, doesn't make me feel anything in particular. I know I have at least 3 (possibly 4) pherotines of UN CB in various places because I can't be without, it's (among other things) the one phero that guarantees my ex will behave. 

@Eastwood22 You know what's funny? The two pheros that have BF sticking to me like glue when we're out together anywhere are Cuddle Bunny and LFN. I can wear any other phero out with him and he'll wander off and start talking to people he knows. Not when I'm wearing either of those. He gets skeeved-out by all the DIHLs they help "induce" in other dudes, and tends to walk behind me through crowds (at shows, especially), with his chest almost right up against my back. He's not possessive in the least, but I think it freaks him out so much that other guys (and sometimes pretty unsavoury characters) show such blatant interest that he doesn't want to leave me to fend for myself. He gets worried. I shouldn't laugh, but it's such uncharacteristic behavior for my Mr. Social Butterfly. 

PS WTF is with all the young'uns wearing MOM JEANS? I don't get it! They're SO uncomfortable!!! Either they fit in the waist and they're baggy as all get-out in the ass, or they're too tight in the butt and too loose in the waist. And don't even get me started on the likelihood that these pants will show off a great camel toe!!! Nobody needs to see that!   I just don't get the appeal. I'm never giving up the kind of pants that have a slightly wider waistband and are meant to sit just above the hip, thank you. I had my fill of Mom jeans in the 80s.  

On ‎4‎/‎2‎/‎2019 at 11:06 AM, HipGrrrl said:

Yet again I experienced fun hits with Gossamer Threads w/CB.

 

Spouse and I went to a concert thingy at the local university. Pretty sedate (which is quite funny considering it was a Led Zeppelin tribute band). The audience ran the gamut from uber-professional to a few biker types. At one point, I was in line for booze (spouse went to the restroom) and asked the guy behind me how he was liking the show. He stared at me and said “Uh”. Massive pause. Then he started talking. The line shifted, I didn't notice. He placed his hands on my waist (not a big fan of THAT) to move me, realized what he was doing, jumped back and then fist bumped me. Several times. Spouse finally shows up. Dude behind me starts talking over me to spouse saying something like “You better really watch out for her. There are a lot of sketchy people here! You better make sure she's okay!!” I walked away at this point but spouse told me later that he went on for a while on that note.

 

The ushers were almost competitive to see who would open the auditorium doors for me – and once actually let me in the auditorium and shut the door on spouse. Spouse did not find that nearly as hilarious as I did ☺️.

 

I went out to smoke a couple of times and the guys handling the outer doors were incredibly friendly and made sure to be watching so they could open the door for me when I re-entered. Smiley, smiley, smiley. One actually opened the door and bowed to me with a flourish as I walked back in. The woman working with them was totally messing with them about how goofy they were acting.

 

Fun times!!

33 minutes ago, HipGrrrl said:

I should not even leave another review about this, but I cannot help myself, lol.  I love this perfume SO much and have more backup bottles than any one person needs.

 

GT w/CB is my go-to for nights out with Spouse and it ALWAYS delivers.  I feel girly, pretty and hot as hell wearing it.  I always get ridiculous hits and it gentles my savage beast of a spouse.  Win win all the way around.

 

Wore it out Saturday night to see a sorta hardcore heavy metal cover band.  The crowd was much younger and less alternative than who usually shows up at these gigs. I had more preppy baby boys giving me the eye and sidling up to me than has ever happened before.  One guy at the bar was staring at me, smiling crazy happy and kept repeating “girl, you smell so good!” Over and over. Everything was ridiculous...and fabulously fun, lol.

 

I bought a t-shirt and the young lead singer (who has been phero clouded by me at a prior show) shoved himself between me and their normal merch dude to handle my purchase.  He couldn’t find the shirt I wanted in the right size in their jumble and was hilariously heartbroken I might be being inconvenienced.  His over the top excitement when he found it was even more funny...but when he started to try and hold it up against me to check the fit, I had to grab it and bail, lol.

 

The only negative interactions I’ve had from women while wearing GT w/CB is when their man (or target) has been too attentive to me.  Otherwise, women also seem to be quite enamored of me while wearing this.

 

I find this scent has wonderful staying power and I hardly need to wear any for its amazeballs powers to work.

 

GT w/CB is awesome sauce for sure.  Now I’ll try to stop gushing 😊.

Gush away! I love wearing anything with Cuddle Bunny to shows.

I go to a lot of punk shows, and the reaction from people when I'm wearing CB is hilarious. The first time I was ever in a mosh pit I was wearing CB, in fact. Once I'd had enough of all the (FUN!) pushing and shoving, I'd kinda backed up to the perimeter of the pit, so was still being shoved a little bit by the crowd. These two dudes on either side of me kept throwing out the "mom-arm" whenever the mosh crowd surged a little too close to me.   It was freakin' adorable. 

The last show I went to where I was wearing Cuddle Bunny, I'd gone out to smoke - all the ushers at the door were smiley-smiley, even the women. And when I came back in I stuck my arm out to show them my stamp, but one guy piped up and said, "nah, we remember YOU!".   BF was right behind me, having his stamp checked. LOL! 

It's a fun phero to wear out when you're with your partner. And clearly it's a great phero to wear in a happy, mixed-sex crowd! 

15 minutes ago, Eastwood22 said:

Tee-hee. Not the first thread that went 'off topic,' just in a new way. I think every thread I step into goes sideways!

Regarding Unisexy, @Snoopyace, I think Teddy BB was a good choice. I have mine with B2.2 and it's just for me! The vibe matches the scent.

DERP!   Maybe I'm more original than I thought! LOL! Nah... just spacy.

On ‎5‎/‎26‎/‎2019 at 7:24 AM, oceanjewel said:

Lack of sleep or lack of quality sleep and pheros don't work as well for me either. I thought it was just because not sleeping well makes me grouchy in general, but I should probably skip pheros on those days too

If I'm feeling grouchy due to a lack of sleep, I usually reach for Balm Bomb or Open Windows. Balm Bomb works 'cause it really does make people behave nicely to me, (which keeps me from getting more pissed off). Open Windows tends to really buoy my mood in general. But even if I'm wearing these because I haven't slept, I have to make sure that I have some food in my belly, or I can wind up feeling like crap. 

I totally missed this message! Sweet! I've been cutting back on wearing my Virgin Bad Girl, but I guess I can douse myself in it now? Lol! In honor of this news, I think I'll be wearing it for work tonight!  

Edited to add that imma idiot. 😅 I thought I'd clicked into the Bad Girl thread! 😂😂😂

29 minutes ago, StacyK said:

I'm in. I love me some BAM. I feel so warm and   with it.

Solo or with PM. I'm in. 

IDK if it helps. I hit the Sexology sweet spot. Back with "Indecent Exposure" I loved the scent and with a bit of a "fuck it" air, I wore it everywhere. The scent was so easy to transition from work a stuff to night. The light dose in the day was a circle around my belly button smooshed and dried down. Night was a 1" stripe between wrists and a full lollipop starting in clevage and rounding the belly smooshed. 

Enhanced oil doses. 

The hits are very different than CB. Warm, slow, soft, bondy. Mellow/sexual.

IMO, The other scent, X Appeal is more lusty. Driven by that warm sexy scent. As LV said, very "undercover ho". Perfect description. 

I've never used it UN.

Haha! That's really funny @StacyK!!! I used to wear Indecent Exposure everywhere too! LOL! Think it had something to do with the name?   Honestly though, it's just such a beautiful scent, it feels like a "wear anywhere" kind of scent. I recently got Wild Cherry, and have been dying to wear it, but haven't yet. Maybe I'll give it another shot this week sometime. 

Great review! I find H&S makes people want to talk a lot too. And not just chitchat but they tend to want to get to know me. I had to stop wearing it to work on busy days because my customers get so deeply talkative, and I was always standing there trying to be polite but thinking, "I can't stand around talking all day, I've got stuff to do!". 😬😅

Ahh... the sweetheart phero. It does what it says on the tin! 

On 5/25/2019 at 5:18 PM, anchoredinopulence said:

Let's start The BAM Weirdos Club! Ha! I had difficulty with Sexology too. And sadly LFM and LFN which I so desperately want to love. I get great hits with them but I wind up sad and cranky - maybe I'm overdoing it even with the tiny dabs I'm using. I loved your highly entertaining posts over in the LFM thread! 😄I'm gonna keep experimenting on safe days...

We totally should! 😂 

Seriously though, it makes me a little sad that I can't figure out how to wear either of those 2 "straight up". I love the idea of what they're supposed to do, but it's so rare that I can get them to do it. 😕 And honestly, wearing plain BAM around BF turns him into a talk factory. I guess talking, for him, is the Gemini version of cuddling. 😂 

I've not had bad reactions to LFM per se, just weird ones like I've noted in the LFM thread. 

While  I LOVE LFN, I have to be careful about when I wear it, and how much I apply. It can turn me into a psycho hose beast easily if I goof it up. (It's early. Forgive the Wayne's World reference. Brain isn't braining yet). If it winds up making me crazy/nasty/bitchy, THEN I wind up feeling sad because of whatever stupid thing I freaked out on BF for. But that's all due to the-enone. 

I don't believe I've ever noticed bad reactions to beta-nol in any other blend. Heart and Soul maybe? I definitely need either a very light hand when applying beta-nol heavy stuff, or to buffer it with an extra molecule. 

Sometimes my reaction to different blends really makes me wonder how much my own pheromones/signature is playing a part. Like, do I react weirdly to beta-nol because I have too much or too little in my own sig? And with -enone, I often wonder if my psycho reactions are due to my already having a dominant signature or to my not having a dominant one. 🤔 I don't perceive myself as being dominant in the least. But as quiet and introverted as I am, I also, quite strangely, have the kind of jovial, animated personality that can fill a room at times. It just makes me wonder...

Sometimes you've just gotta treat yourself, even if other people are all "meh" about it, or even dislike it. Sometimes you gotta just do stuff for YOU. 😉

3 minutes ago, anchoredinopulence said:

 

Same, Eggers. Even a touch of BAM purely solo can give me the sads and make me super self conscious. 

Right? I'm glad I'm not alone in this. I thought I was a weirdo... now there are TWO of us! LOL! I spy a trend... haha! Honestly though, I've had issues with wearing BAM solo, and also with Sexology. They both tend to do this to me, and I haven't been able to determine whether I need another molecule added as a buffer for it, or if I'm wearing too much, too little... 

23 minutes ago, Dolly said:

BAM is beta-adrostenol and cops.  In contrast to LAM which is Alpha-adrostenol and cops.  Alpha-nol is more of a happy vibe while Beta-nol is more of the bonding, tell-me-all-your-secrets vibe.  BAM backfired on me ONCE when I was with a man who didn't feel comfortable sharing his feelings, but that was the only negative reaction I had from it.  I like the uplifting effect from LAM better, as a personal preference.

 

I prefer LAM in general, as well. It's rare that I wear BAM alone. I usually use it to give a boost to PM or I do the "BLAM" thing, (mixing LAM and BAM). I'm pretty much in the LAM Camp though. Too much beta androstenol can make me feel awkward, like I'm too exposed. It can also make me emotional. 

11 minutes ago, HipGrrrl said:

@Eggers I did read it, now I can’t remember where either.  

 

Frankly, I appreciate you posting it ‘cause when I read your accounting I said to myself “HipGrrrl, pay attention!  This could so totally be you!”, lolol.  You may have saved me from myself!  Sadly, moderation is not my natural tendency 😇.

Ha! Mine either.  

@HipGrrrl Aw, thank you! 

I'm not much of a morning eater, either. Breakfast tends to make me feel nauseated. I started having homemade smoothies a couple of hours after I get up, just so that I have something in my gut, and to ward off the shakes. I seem to be able to tolerate smoothies in the morning/early afternoon better than food I have to chew. 

I've had a few not-so-great drinking experiences while wearing pheros. That one where my BF locked me in the back of the car was a doozie. I wish I could remember where I posted about it. It was both hilarious and humiliating. The humor of it outweighs my embarrassment, however, so I continue to use it as a cautionary tale here on the forum!  

Bottom line: if I'm going to be wearing pheros, or if I'm going to be drinking, I make sure to have a little food in my belly. Better safe than hungover and embarrassed.  

1 minute ago, Dolly said:

 

This made me LOL, Eggs......truth in what you wrote though!  It is more apparent if you are a heavy responder as I am.  As I always tell my son......"Ask me how I know!"

LOL! True story! I think I must be a heavy responder too. I get selfies out the wazoo, usually. I feel lucky in this regard most of the time. And then there are those times when I've not eaten, had too much coffee and had a beer or two, and I really regret it. Oh! The stupid things I can say/do sometimes!  

Pheros can make me feel really "off" if I'm wearing them when I don't have any food in my belly, and especially if I've not eaten AND have had a ton of coffee. I'm one of those people who occasionally forgets to eat, so I've had more experience in with this kind of situation than I'd like to have had. I get the "super-jitters", and occasionally it has made me feel a little nauseated. 

I definitely recommend not drinking on an empty stomach while you're wearing pheros! OMG. It's a short-cut to embarrassing situations and almost instant hangover.   There was one instance in which I was locked in the back seat of a car because I was drinking on an empty stomach while wearing a pretty heavy load of Audacious. Funny. But really. Not. Good. And the hangover was the worst! 

I've never been a good sleeper, either. I don't think it's entirely out of the realm of possibility that all 3 things could play a part in how you experience the pheros you're wearing. 

If you're feeling run down from a lack of sleep, have no food in your belly, have had a lot of coffee, AND start drinking while wearing pheros, you might explode.   Kidding. 

Anyway, welcome to the forum!  

And also: I like the way you write. 

1 hour ago, StacyK said:

You have Dom and he responds well to that. Have you tried wearing Dom with a LITTLE CB? You will probably have to experiment with the ratios. My guess is you might find a sweet spot there. Balancing the two blends to make him chivalrous. But not using too much EST. The Dom to tame the inner boss. 

Its intresting and not uncommon for an outwardly alfa guy who's busy being boss, or thinks he has to be so the world doesn't fall apart, to want a female boss behind closed doors. They make up a good part of the Dominatrix business. They like being boss. But, want that release of no control for a while. Then back to BAU.

If you have Dom, Leather and CB. You have a good place to start. Don't mix Leather & CB that would-be too much EST, getting more of that result you don't want. Leather is 50% Est and CB is very EST heavy. Basically I'm saying if the Leather doesn't quite get you there try the Dom with just very little CB to start. 

 If you find the right ratios you can always "Mad Scientist" order that so its on hand.

 

I think someone mentioned BAM up thread and I really agree. Give it a whirl. IMO, Its very warm and sexy. I always say it makes me feel like I'm purring. You don't have to go full bottle, just get a couple of trials in diffetent scents. I am an addict for the Original scent. It such a perfect partner for the phero. Pink Amber & Sandalwood & Resins are favs too. S&R is sophisticated and sheer, very nice. 

PM is definately worth a try. It can help even things out.

 

IMO, It seems like you need to "tweak" the EST stuff to get close to what you want. I think bringing in the PM and BAM would add a new dimension to the relationship. 

 

Not to totally confuse things. Have you tried Treasured Hearts?

 

Lol. It does the same thing to me + a spliting headache. 

That's the holy trinity of bonding right there. ❤️

Right? I enjoy BAM with PM more than BAM on its own. It just adds that little extra... 😊