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ROFLMAO!!! That is one of the funniest things I think I have ever read! That could be like the "worst advertising tagline ever" for pheros. I can't imagine anyone objecting to Tail! It's so pleasant. Must be one of those people super sensitive to cops (and immune to its effects)? Or, maybe he hates that mango smell. A lot of people are allergic. Maybe he is and thought you were a mango.

Got some Blue on here. Didn't like it at first, it felt masculine to me. But it has mellowed to be sweet, cheerful, and inexplicably vaguely *fruity*.on me. If this is really what scented CB smells like on people who are not me, I now understand what the fuss is about Still gives me a Bounce dryer sheet vibe, but"fuller" and sweeter than CB. It also just made this guy literally unable to speak to me here in this store.

AJWWWRGHGGHHHH WHO GOT IT? so envious

I've tried this twice, in the form of PG Wildflower (but posting here because I'm commenting on just the phero). The first time, it seemed to make some normally high-strung people relax around me, but did not seem to have any particular pied-piper or worship effect. The second time, I got a headache and felt a little grouchy (I'm guessing I put on too much). The really weird thing is -- both times, I felt strangely self-conscious, like not knowing what to do with my hands, feeling like people (including strangers passing by) were staring at me, but not in a way that made me feel popular, it made me feel paranoid, LOL. And when talking with people, I caught myself looking DOWN to avoid meeting their eyes, which I NEVER EVER DO. I'm thinking I just haven't found the magic amount to use...

Hi Sara, I could part with my Tail bottle - it's on my trade thread. Please LMK if interested

All absolutely adorable, especially the Spring Fling one!!

TMI WARNING I thought I was imagining it the first time I tried this, but once again -- this scent makes me as horny as a mountain goat. I've got NO cops or other horny-making stuff on, at ALL. Very strange.

Hi, in saying that b-nol and est are superficially similar, I meant it in a very broad and general way: -- that they both seem to be intended to give off a softer vibe (as in a Type B personality), as opposed to a Type A personality vibe. I didn't mean to incorrectly suggest that there are two different kinds of est , an "a" kind and a "b" kind. I brought up the comparison only because even though they're both Type B-ish, they give me such drastically different results. Honestly it sounds like you don't need any est, LOL!

I agree, it seems it may very well turn out to be a good thing for both of you! (Ail + student) Wildflower- though est and bnol superficially seemed to me to be intended for somewhat similar purposes (I know not identical) - in my experience so far, socially, I really like the effect of est much better (I've experienced it in Garland&Lace, Mara's Rocket Fuel, and Cuddle Bunny). It makes both men and women gooey, worshipful and chivalrous, all in a good way ... whereas for me, b-nol seems to bring out the dismissive ahole in people, especially men.

Exactly, those huge white florals (well just gardenia comes to mind) give me headaches, but this one stays close, not heady, not big, just sweet and sexy as all get out.

Tried this today (thanks to Liz ) and raced here immediately to report, but as usual, Invidiana took the words out of my mouth: I have this on (alongside OCCO pink, granted) and it is giving me extremely work-inappropriate feelings. But in a languid, romantic, vacation-sex way, not a down-and-dirty raunchy way. Hard to explain. In dept store perfumes I find ylang ylang fusty and it gives me headaches. Even walking past the counter I'm like YEEECH. But in this (and in Christine's Yin Ylang) it is very warm, strangely CREAMY (especially wet) and yes, foody. I think its native sweetness, together with the cinnamon, is creating that impression. The sweetness reminds me of Cougar - it's an almost citrusy, very full bodied sweetness. The pimento in the description scared me initially - I didn't want to smell like green olives (I know pimento doesn't smell like olives - I just couldn't get the association out of my head) and thought it would be a bizarre combo with the ylang - but I don't detect it at all. BOTTLE BOTTLE COME TO ME

Just tried my little sniffy (courtesy of Rosebud :thank you:) VERY elegant! and it reminds me so much of Karmiel's Silken Moonlight - but I think I like this even better! The orchid gives it a dimension that is missing in KSM on me.

when you say "use to" do you mean as a kid, or recently?

ROFLMAO!!! If only more men were this wise.

This is JMO and may sound kind of harsh since I am obviously biased in your favor, not his but reading between the lines, I have a feeling what you really need and want is to HAVE A VOICE in this situation, and to have AGENCY, the right and courage to (1) want what YOU want out of the relationship (2) EXPRESS that (3) and if he won't or can't give that to you, you are able & willing to move on. I sound like 1990s Madonna I know. But she knew what she was talking about ) and it sounds like you need & want that, more than you specifically need to have or ramp-up the DIHL / urgent sexual response. You'll get enough of that from the cops, and your whole POINT is that you already have plenty of attraction from him, now you want to be HEARD about what you want, which is taking the relationship to the next level. If you felt you weren't getting that much DIHL last time, it might not have been because some phero(s) were "missing". It might have been purely that he was processing the new (really, the REAL) you and he was too busy doing THAT to address or express the DIHL stuff. As for more a-nol ... I know I'm speaking as a person who still hasn't even tried it, lol, but from what I've read about it, I'm guessing there is plenty of a-nol in Leather and you probably don't need more. It doesn't sound like you're wanting or needing more bubbliness out of either of you.

So interesting: TAH and EST then seem like they can be a personality/mood detector!! At least for me I can use it as a test, LOL! Now that Rosebud mentions it, the one group of guys who were particularly jerky to me with the Me, Jane! were already clearly acting jerky from a distance in general, LOL - loud, competing for attention and social domination, shoving each other etc. (Opposite example, I was wearing MRF out last night and one of the guys there, who granted is a fairly thoughtful and polite guy, but I don't know very well, was especially sweet and attentive (a few minutes after I arrived and I just looked puzzled for a moment, he lunged across the table over people and actually said, almost frantically, "What's wrong? What's going on over there? What can I do? Whatever you need, just tell me, I'll do it, I'll give you whatever you need." And after he said it he had that classic dazed phero'd look on his face of "I don't understand why I just said that." ROFL!

I got a decant of this in trade and tried it yesterday. I admit to not looking it up first, and didn't know it had cops & TAH til coming here just now. It figures about the TAH!! I was blown off, shoved past, and scowled at by guys all night, which happens to me *without fail* with beta-ish pheros. It's so weird. Must be the lack of congruency, or maybe w/my chemistry it makes me project an aura of weakness and "low value". I didn't smell cops AT ALL at any point (vial, wet, dry) & was surprised to hear they're in there. So very good cover. Scentwise, all I got, from minute one, was plasticky banana skin ate everything else. Sigh... To the trade post it goes.

Thanks so much for the advice y'all...very nice of you!! I will absolutely give Leather a try...maybe just not on this occasion And I basically live in OCCO so that's a given. THANKS again!! ETA I only just saw your post Calii- so sweet, thank you- that's exactly what I need, some a-nol to make me feel chipper so I can BE myself I do adore C/E... so maybe I'll do that and a little TH in the hair /threadjack!

Eek!! Thank you for being honest KrazyKat- that's exactly why I am a bit scared of it. I'm not going to take the chance at this point. I don't want to go in the BI direction- actually I want the opposite- maybe to become friends with him and THEN maybe go in the physical dirction if I decide I like him enough. thank you for the input.

Not sure this is right place to ask but didn't want to start an entire thread on the "general discussion" board just for my one little question/advice seeking that is specific to Leather...pls feel free to move... Will be meeting up soon -- won't call it a date -- with a guy I don't know very well, who is not passive or weak, he's just "only" moderately sociable and less outgoing and alpha-ish than I am. I know he is a little in awe of me (not bragging, have been told so by several mutual friends who don't know each other) but does not seem actually *intimidated* by me, which I like. I am not 100% sure I am interested in pursuing a relationship with him, but I want HIM to want me, in case I decide I do... I know. I just want to feel confident and "myself" and not too self-conscious which I can tend to do when I am attracted to a guy and especially in this case where I am going to feel a little bit scrutinized and like he's going to go back and report everything I do and say to other people whose opinion I care about (this has happened before - always in a positive way, at least as far as I know LOL). He has no problem being open with me, so I don't want or need to do anything too beta-ish, because that will just give ME blabbermouth, which I need like a hole in the head (in general and in this sitch). So I think Leather is both the most congruent w/me and the most logical thing for my goal and this particular TG. BUT, I've never used Leather before and I'm a teeny bit scurred. Would love any suggestions/advice.

So true and so well put.

How has no one reviewed this yet?? A bit late for you May but I am trying it today. It's *very* sweet, but in a fruity way, NOT in a sickly/fake/candy-sweet way. I don't get any floral out of it, just sweet sweet sweet ripe-to-bursting fruit. It is not huge or throwy. VERY light on me (but things disappear on me without musk or amber to hold them down so ymmv). ETA it started out peach+pear, but over time it's become just a big juicy ripe peach that I keep catching light whiffs of. mmmm, peach.

I had Pink on last night and for the first time (that I noticed) it had this awesome bubblegum edge to it. Then went to strawberry. My favorite thing about these OCCOs though (besides their effect) is how light the cover scent is. (I don't know how it can cover the cops while being so light) It gives you so many options to layer with other stuff. I love the flexibility.

OMG, Dolly, as I read the OP the word LEATHER was in about 48-point font in my head! but I didn't want to assume LadyRose was a Leather kinda gal Great minds

If it were me I would not feel any obligation to keep the next date. He's forfeited his right to it. I do totally agree with Rosegirl that YOU have an equal right to act & decide that he does -- and again if it were me, his ass would already be out on the curb. JMO.